05-06-2020, 12:44 PM
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Just another thing to go wrong! If you can't control your headlights, or keep in your lane, or pay attention so you don't crash into the car in front - then you shouldn't be driving. All these things make people less attentive; which causes more problems. You going to trust these systems from a company that can't get a relatively simple entune - nav system to work properly. Or, the airbag fiasco? Go ahead and good luck.
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05-06-2020, 01:10 PM
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It's an interesting feature but not very well executed imo, they are convenient for me but apparently not for some other people. I tried them on a 100km stretch of a rural 2 lane highway and got flashed multiple times by others. It either couldn't detect some people's shitty headlights, or it wouldn't detect the car behind and go back to high beams too quickly. I haven't really used it since, I just leave it in low beam most of the time anyway.
The adaptive cruise control is my favorite part of the tss-p system.
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05-06-2020, 02:16 PM
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Do you think the glare/light scatter from the aftermarket HIDs confuses the sensor making it think there is another car approaching?
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Perhaps, but when I manually turn the high beam on I don't see any benefit.
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05-06-2020, 02:21 PM
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I sort of had the same thought about the AHB. I can see the car coming. Also I'm a bit of a control freak when it comes to my car doing thing it "thinks" are right. I paid for it do what I want! It sort of freaks me out and it can be distracting too.
However there are plenty of others that seem appreciate the convenience. The good news is I don't need to turn it on.
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05-07-2020, 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by flyrv9
Just another thing to go wrong! If you can't control your headlights, or keep in your lane, or pay attention so you don't crash into the car in front - then you shouldn't be driving. All these things make people less attentive; which causes more problems. You going to trust these systems from a company that can't get a relatively simple entune - nav system to work properly. Or, the airbag fiasco? Go ahead and good luck.
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You might be confusing the chicken with the egg.
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05-07-2020, 12:07 PM
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You might be confusing the chicken with the egg.
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It's perspective - which chicken and which egg?
If all the automatic stuff works we don't need drivers at all, but then no one would actually know how to drive?
Or if people knew how to drive, we don't need all the automatic stuff?
I'm in the learn how to drive camp. Although, I do like the climate control with heated and cooled seats. But if my seats cooler goes crazy it won't kill me. . . I hope.
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05-07-2020, 05:24 PM
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It's perspective - which chicken and which egg?
If all the automatic stuff works we don't need drivers at all, but then no one would actually know how to drive?
Or if people knew how to drive, we don't need all the automatic stuff?
I'm in the learn how to drive camp. Although, I do like the climate control with heated and cooled seats. But if my seats cooler goes crazy it won't kill me. . . I hope.
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I think most people think they know how to drive. Many don't. From the time I was 15yrs old barreling down a backroad at 100mph in an old Chevy Nova, I thought I was an above average driver. I had lots of wrecks when I was young but it was because I was pushing the vehicle to see what it could, and eventually couldn't do. I wanted to know how it handled/stopped in rain, snow, dry, when the tires would let go, the dynamics of being "out of control" and how to reel it back in. I learned to drift before it was called that, I could do the Rockford turn, and, as I got smarter, went to autocrossing and stuff. Even in my youthful stupidity, my wrecks were mostly when I was doing stupid stuff with no one else around. I never caused a wreck involving another driver, though I was also in wrecks caused by other drivers. Now, 40 years later, I still test my vehicles to understand how they perform though I don't crash like I used to. LOL I will not answer a phone unless it is Bluetooth, I ignore texts until I stop somewhere again unless the vehicle will read it to me, I am constantly scanning mirrors and in front of me looking for idiots. I still believe I am a better driver than average but it is 80% paying attention and 20% skill. Skill is everything when you get in a bad situation but paying attention keeps you out of those situations.
All that said, I love ABS, stability control, collision avoidance, airbags, lane departure alerts on really long drives, adaptive cruise control, and most other safety technology. No matter how well I drive, it only takes a second for someone to run a red light, a child to run out from behind a parked car, or me to look away at the wrong moment and the day (or more) is ruined. If the vehicle can react to a situation quicker than me and save the day, I'm all for it. Doesn't mean I will get lazy and play with my phone like a child, it's just an added layer of prevention.
I'm a huge fan of self-driving car tech for the masses because many see driving as a secondary activity. I think a Tesla can drive better than many of the occupants I see behind the wheel.
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05-08-2020, 10:48 AM
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I think most people think they know how to drive. Many MOST don't.
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True with one correction inserted above. I have a very similar story to yours and had (not anymore) road raced and instructed for many years. Even in those days, I was a good driver and still a middle of the pack racer.
If I buy a new sports car that a I want to test, I take it to the track as soon as it's broken in. The track is a controlled environment, the street is not. Not to say that you can't have some fun once in a while, but you always need to leave a dime in your pocket in the street. What that last 10% is, 100% on the driver and most people don't know.
The reality is that factory built cars can easily exceed the ability of the driver in most cases. I bought my first Taco and decided that I need to learn to wheel. I ran that thing stock for about a year before it wouldn't go where I wanted it to.
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Doesn't mean I will get lazy and play with my phone like a child, it's just an added layer of prevention.
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Amen to that brother.
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I'm a huge fan of self-driving car tech for the masses because many see driving as a secondary activity. I think a Tesla can drive better than many of the occupants I see behind the wheel.
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There are times and places for that stuff but I can't stand it for so many other reasons. Stories for another day.
The biggest crime that the car industry has recently committed is using touch screens as a primary control. It has no tactile index and forces you to take your eyes off the road. With an "old fashion" button or knob, I can touch some place in the area, then move my hand to the next place without looking. With a touch screen, you can't touch jack unless you look.
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05-08-2020, 06:19 PM
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I'm a huge fan of self-driving car tech for the masses because many see driving as a secondary activity. I think a Tesla can drive better than many of the occupants I see behind the wheel.
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^---- this! I see a lot of people that would "never want to trust themselves to a self driving car" - and they are usually typing that on their phone while swerving over the rumble strip on the side of the highway.
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