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Old 05-07-2020, 01:38 PM #16
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Thank you all for the quick replies and comments. I got the eibach kit coming and also the 1/2in spacers for the driver side. I have a really good alignment tech that I can trust and will see how it goes with the factory arms. If I can save that money, it will help me with getting new Fulken tires
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That is insane and downright scary. I am hoping no one was hurt and minimal damage?? There is a massive markup on all these parts, it is crazy. I love supporting this country as much as possible , especially family owned companies. But $1000 for UCA's and $2000 for aluminum skidplate is insane!
No one was hurt. Happened at a Home Depot parking lot backing out of the parking stall. Actually did very little damage to anything. But not very fun. Could have been really dangerous.
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The Tough Country UCA's are the next cheapest I think along with the Freedom Offroad. Again - don't. For starters, they don't correct for caster angle that I'm aware of, the Tough Country ones for sure do not. They were one of the first to use a ball joint instead of a uniball so I ordered a set. They do not have any caster correction, I sent them back. Freecom Offroad are just chinese import junk. They (the reseller warehouse) doesn't even know what ball joint they use and literally could not provide any information on what it is or whether you can replace it and what you'd replace with. They don't even own a 4Runner or have any testing. They are just a different version of the cheap ebay model with a different sticker.
Couple of things I'd like to clarify from my research before buying the Freedom Offroad arms.

1. These are OEM style ball joints, not uniballs, so I'm a bit less concerned about a failure like your Uniball UCA's (glad there was no major damage or injuries BTW!). From my understanding, your uniballs actually pulled through the uniball due to the bolt being smaller than the hole in the uniball?
2. These are made in Taiwan, not China. Not saying that changes much/if anything with the long term quality one way or the other, but seems like manufacturing is usually a little better from Taiwan I highly doubt they are the same as the Ebay junk/Alibaba arms as they don't even look the same (different gussets, weld quality in images alone is better etc.)
3. These do have built in caster correction. There is no way I was pulling a 3.6 caster with my lift at 2.7" (hub to fender measurements) on OEM arms. Also, you can see it in the attached image. It's not nearly the caster you can get from SPC's but it's also fixed.
4. I ordered based on multiple reviews from people running for years on Tacoma World without issue. Was there some hesitation since they aren't TC/SPC/JBA? Definitely. So far am I satisfied with them? Yup.
5. If I recall correctly (can't find the image anymore for the 4Runner UCA's, but did find one for Nissan Titan SPC's) the SPC arms are made in China but assembled here in Colorado.

So they might be Chinese junk, they might not be. What i do know is the build quality looks great, I've had no issues so far, they are a serviceable and replaceable ball joint, and have a lifetime warranty.

Not trying to start an argument, but to have some good conversation on these, as I appreciate the input and knowledge you provide to the forum, as seem recently in another thread. So far I've only got about 100 miles of bashing offroad on them, so they will be inspected, as they are new. Just trying to provide as much information as possible to people.
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My issue with Freedom Offroad is the abject laziness of their owners. I asked about the ball joint they use and they gave a bullshit response about how it's proprietary and they never wear out. Of course that's total nonsense. Freedom is literally just a metal warehouse where they import and re-ship out stuff. And that's fine. They also originally said that they did not correct caster. But they just don't know anything at all about them and weren't willing to even ask the chinese manufacturer what the specs were on the ball joint. They don't have any vehicles to actually test them on and probably have never even opened a box to see what's inside. The importer (freedom offroad) can spec any ball joint they want or leave it up to the manufacturer. But to not even have a spec sheet or any information at all on what ball joint they're using - that is unacceptable to me - if you're going to pay double the price you can order them directly from China for. If you're buying blind, I'd go straight to the first reseller in China for a lot less. You can also buy the SPC ones for about $200/set direct from China.

They might be perfectly fine UCAs. Hope they work out for you.

If you did need a replacement ball joint - given that they don't tell you what size or model fits what would you do?

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I was going to get Dirt King because they were $500. Then during last year's BF sale, a vendor messed up the BF pricing and honored the price for Icon Delta Joint UCAs for $500 so I got them instead.
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I have the Eibach kit and stock UCAs. I too was concerned about the UCAs, right to the point of Analysis / Paralysis.

Several calls to Eibach (sometimes to discuss the same things), eibach stated the 90% of their users run the stock UCAs. Several trips to the shop that installed the kit (before it was installed) revealed that "Unless you are going to drive long distances above 80mph, you probably will never know the difference".

In conclusion - they all were right, i was over thinking it. I use my 4Runner mostly around town, occasional trip out of the valley, commuting, etc. The ride & handling is so much better that if I were forced to go back to stock, I'd consider another vehicle (and I used to think the stock ride was fine). After my install I had a lifetime alignment done a Firestone. Caster is something like 0.5-1*, camber & toe are in spec.

I'd say try it and if you don't like it you can always add the UCAs at a later point.

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If you did need a replacement ball joint - given that they don't tell you what size or model fits what would you do?
I agree the specs not listed is a pretty lame deal. For now, I would order new ball joints from them $30 to $35/piece and then would get the measurements/see if any Moog or similar fit.
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For $49 more, Dirt King offers the uca ball joint caps in red or black.

They use the heavy duty Moog ball joints and their inner pivot bushings have grease fittings for maintaining the lube.




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Thanks again everyone. How many miles did you put on the new suspension for it to settle in before alignment?? I am thinking 100 miles??
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