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Old 05-12-2020, 08:14 PM #31
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I was looking the STT's but then I have my heart set on GrabberX3's or the Yokohamas Geolander M/t's. Where I live the trails are mostly sand since we live on the beach.
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I have been wondering about the STT Pro for snow driving though. I'm actually also looking for a hybrid right now but take my 4Runner into ski country at least 2 or 3 times a year (and sometimes drive in pretty gnarly conditions). Thus that's my one reservation to running them.

For reference, I have the Terra Grapplers on my Pro right now, have run Falken AT3W on my previous 4Runner, and ran Exo Grapplers, Trail Grapplers, and KMs on my Wrangler Unlimited previously.
Well, siping is king for hardpack snow and ice, so you can probably make a judgement call on how the tire is going to do there. Deep stuff is another issue.

I had KM’s and KM2’s too, on hard pack snow it was certainly an adventure, electronic traction control has saved me multiple times.

I think the real benefit of the ST Maxx is their overall durability given a long-living tread pattern that’s aggressive enough to get you out there. The overall weight, durability, and performance strikes a compelling medium, more so than many other tires.

I have had them in snow numerous times and they’re not bad, nothing to write home about but certainly acceptable.

If snow is only going to be a few times out of the year and you want to run only a single set of tires, I’d probably err on wherever else you’ll be spending more time, trade off being to drive conservatively in snow and invest in a set of chains for the rear.
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Well, siping is king for hardpack snow and ice, so you can probably make a judgement call on how the tire is going to do there. Deep stuff is another issue.

I had KM’s and KM2’s too, on hard pack snow it was certainly an adventure, electronic traction control has saved me multiple times.

I think the real benefit of the ST Maxx is their overall durability given a long-living tread pattern that’s aggressive enough to get you out there. The overall weight, durability, and performance strikes a compelling medium, more so than many other tires.

I have had them in snow numerous times and they’re not bad, nothing to write home about but certainly acceptable.

If snow is only going to be a few times out of the year and you want to run only a single set of tires, I’d probably err on wherever else you’ll be spending more time, trade off being to drive conservatively in snow and invest in a set of chains for the rear.
Any thoughts on the KM3s on durability and snow? Currently using Falken M/Ts and like em but worry about durability
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Any thoughts on the KM3s on durability and snow? Currently using Falken M/Ts and like em but worry about durability
Naw sorry, really have no experience with them. They weigh quite a bit more than the KM2’s so I imagine they’ll be more durable, bfg has always kind of run smaller and lighter (which isn’t necessarily bad).

Their marketing is on par as usual though haha.
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Well, siping is king for hardpack snow and ice, so you can probably make a judgement call on how the tire is going to do there. Deep stuff is another issue.

I had KM’s and KM2’s too, on hard pack snow it was certainly an adventure, electronic traction control has saved me multiple times.

I think the real benefit of the ST Maxx is their overall durability given a long-living tread pattern that’s aggressive enough to get you out there. The overall weight, durability, and performance strikes a compelling medium, more so than many other tires.

I have had them in snow numerous times and they’re not bad, nothing to write home about but certainly acceptable.

If snow is only going to be a few times out of the year and you want to run only a single set of tires, I’d probably err on wherever else you’ll be spending more time, trade off being to drive conservatively in snow and invest in a set of chains for the rear.
Yeah, the KMs on my Wrangler were pretty good in fresh snow, but definitely an adventure on ice. I actually almost couldn't get moving in a sheet of ice parking lot in Taos, New Mexico one time that was dead flat. Not confidence inspiring. I actually ripped a sidewall out of one of them on Black Bear Pass in Telluride that summer and that was the end of them.

I found the Trail Grapplers to be a bit better overall for snow driving, but I don't think I ended up doing that much really bad stuff with them. They wore quickly also and ended up being pulled off when I went to 33s.

The Exo Grapplers were an interesting choice. Had them in 285/70 and the only thing I did not like about them was the weight. Amazing snow tire and really quite good offroad. I've thought about putting them on a 4Runner, but cannot get over the fact that in even in 265/70, I think they're up around 60 pounds.

ST Maxx has been in consideration a few times. I've always struggled with the durability advantage of E-load versus the weight savings and plusher load of a P-metric or C-load. I ended up with E-load Falkens on my previous 4Runner and did not regret them as we often went quite out there (including doing things like White Rim in Canyonlands) where I'd rather not risk a flat tire. Add in how brutal surfaces can be for Arizona offroading and I'm wondering about going back to E once I pull the Terra Grapplers off (initially was going to take them off almost immediately but have close to 10K miles on them now and figure I'll run them until a big offroad trip or the winter assuming we have a ski season in 2020/2021 with COVID).

Too many damn choices !
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Smallest "required" for 285's is 7.5 inch, but a lot of people run 285's on 7" TRD wheels with no problems.
Thanks for that .. Can anyone provide first hand experience with this configuration?

Any concern with tire coming off the wheel with the - .5 delta?
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Too many damn choices !
Tell me about it ST Maxx and, time will tell, Mickey Thompson ATZ P3, are the closest I’ve found that have *relatively* strong sidewalls, deep tread depth, and aren’t as heavy as mud terrains.
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I had STT Pros 265/70/17, they rode very well on the road even for MT, look super badass, however they are loud, and a bit heavy so gas mileage took a hit. But I dont think anyone who buys a 4Runner is to concerned with gas mileage.
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Thanks for that .. Can anyone provide first hand experience with this configuration?

Any concern with tire coming off the wheel with the - .5 delta?
I've been running Nitto RG in 285/70/17 (load c) with Pro wheels for over 30K miles with zero issues with a bunch of off roading aired down to 19 PSI. I had my concerns about popping a bead the first few times out, but after that I never gave it a second thought.
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I've been running Nitto RG in 285/70/17 (load c) with Pro wheels for over 30K miles with zero issues with a bunch of off roading aired down to 19 PSI. I had my concerns about popping a bead the first few times out, but after that I never gave it a second thought.
Awesome thanks! I'm really not a fan of most aftermarket rims out there and do like the pro wheels , not to mention that OEM is favorable...
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aargh. there's too many damn choices.
Really? I only see a handful in this category (MT Hybrid)
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Really? I only see a handful in this category (MT Hybrid)
Hrm, without even trying off the top of my head I can come up with:

Atturo Trail Blade XT
Cooper ST Maxx
Dick Cepek Fun Country
Goodyear Duratrac
Mickey Thompson ATZ P3
Nitto Ridge Grappler
Nitto Exo Grappler
Toyo Open Country RT

That's 8, and I know there are a bunch more out there, especially if you start to include some of the more aggressive AT tires.
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Camry Hybrid Vs Prius

I live in Iowa and my town has notoriously shitty roads.

The 08 Prius I own handles them fine, but from all things I've read, the Camry is bigger and rides better, and I'm a pretty big guy my self.

I'm thinking of trading in my 08 Rogue this fall and getting another Prius or a Camry Hybrid.

But something I noticed...the Camry Hybrid, while more expensive new, actually costs LESS used than a Prius, why is that?

I looked at a '12 Prius and a '12 Camry Hybrid on KBB, and the Prius is about $1,200 more used than the Camry Hybrid.https://nox.tips/ https://xender.vip https://testmyspeed.onl

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I've been running Nitto RG in 285/70/17 (load c) with Pro wheels for over 30K miles with zero issues with a bunch of off roading aired down to 19 PSI. I had my concerns about popping a bead the first few times out, but after that I never gave it a second thought.
I have the same tires as you but with slightly wider wheel 17x8. Had them down to 10 psi in snow no problem.
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