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Old 05-24-2020, 11:36 PM #16
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I agree. If traction is an issue, turn the knob.

AWD is fine; if you like the limited, get it, enjoy the AWD. It also comes with 4WD, so you will have both.

If you really like AWD, and can swing the $$$, get the limited.

If AWD is not important, then don't worry about not having it.

If I lived on the PNW, I would appreciate AWD, but not enough to move my cheap derrière into the limited trim model. I have the SR5 and am satisfied with it.
Even taking cost out of the equation, I'm not sure which I would get haha.

- Limited gets full-time AWD - obviously "better", not sure on impact to fuel economy on an already not-efficient car
- Limited gets X-REAS instead of KDSS. I wouldn't know diff between on-road and off-road handling.
- Limited gets front+rear clearance sonars... I assume these are just the parking sensors? I really love these, would probably just add them aftermarket if needed?
- Limited gets bigger wheels - that's unfortunate... would need to replace tires AND wheels... just added cost
- Better speaker system is nice!
- Leather vs softex - maybe softex would actually be better? Given the utility aspect
- TRD gets locking rear diff. This almost seems described as "get out of jail" to really increase chances of getting out of a jam?
- TRD gets crawl control+terrain select... on paper, this seems like the biggest difference and something that SEEMS like I should definitely have
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Limited Body Style vs Other

I am older female and no doubt about it, hands down, I belong in a Limited. Easier to get in and out of with the automatic and lower profile step boards. Only the Limited offers AWD (all 4 wheels always engaged on all roads) and this was the right choice for me as I don't do any off-roading but need a capable vehicle in challenging road conditions.

So why did I get an SR5 Premium? Because I liked the looks of the SR5's teardrop front round lights and absence of the Limited's chrome trim which creates a lower body profile and less sporty look. As Billy Crystal would say (channeling Fernado Lamas) "It is better to look good than to feel good".

I also considered going all out for the TRD Pro with the TOYOTA letters on the front grill but it looked a bit too Rambo (if I were a few years younger maybe) so SR5 premium with Soft-Tec leather seats and Moonroof was a good choice.

Take a look at Limited Vs. SR5 Premium vs. TRD Off Road vs TRD Pro and see what you think. Limited's are so very popular and many people prefer the look of the Limited over the other more sporty body style.
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Based on you’re criteria and driving habits, I agree that the Limited is your best option.

You do have to do something when it comes to engaging 4HI in the ORP/SR5....pull lever or twist knob. My 89-yr old mom told me “engage it, that’s what you bought 4Wd. And she is right! Just don’t run it on dry pavement!


You mentioned about crawl control. That’s a specific topic in itself and I do not know how it works on other brands....in the 4Runner, read this link since it has some good info. Top speed is 5 km on crawl control

What is Multi-terrain select? - Toyota 4Runner Forum - Largest 4Runner Forum

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Even taking cost out of the equation, I'm not sure which I would get haha.

- Limited gets full-time AWD - obviously "better", not sure on impact to fuel economy on an already not-efficient car
- Limited gets X-REAS instead of KDSS. I wouldn't know diff between on-road and off-road handling.
- Limited gets front+rear clearance sonars... I assume these are just the parking sensors? I really love these, would probably just add them aftermarket if needed?
- Limited gets bigger wheels - that's unfortunate... would need to replace tires AND wheels... just added cost
- Better speaker system is nice!
- Leather vs softex - maybe softex would actually be better? Given the utility aspect
- TRD gets locking rear diff. This almost seems described as "get out of jail" to really increase chances of getting out of a jam?
- TRD gets crawl control+terrain select... on paper, this seems like the biggest difference and something that SEEMS like I should definitely have
The only thing you mentioned that I don't believe was added to a limited already was kdss. I believe the GX 460 does have kdss and x-rays on certain terms. That said, you can add locking axel differentials, front and rear, aftermarket to any 5th gen 4Runner.

As far as styling goes, if you're not good with the looks of The Limited, you can swap out the front bumper. Plenty of write ups on it.

And if you're concerned with brush damage to paint, like I was living in the Rust Belt, Northeast United States, looking to goat armor.

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As another Canuck living in Ontario, we get rain, snow and plenty of freezing rain. I went with the SR5 (premium is standard in Canada). The Bridgestone tires have to go though. I found even in 4Hi they still suck. The softex is nice and easy to clean. It's pretty easy to switch from 2wd to 4hi in an SR5. I had a Land Rover LR3 with terrain response, very rarely used it. And as for flying down back roads, I've always maintained, As slow as possible, as fast as necessary. That advice always seemed to get me home in one piece.
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Unlike the TRD, it doesn't come with terrain select or crawl control. Now, neither does my current car and I've never used them in my life - but I imagine it's something I would be using more. Just yesterday was going down an FSR with my friend in her wrangler and noticed her using crawl control.

Likewise... my previous-previous car was a honda accord, which I assume is FWD? Also a sedan and an incredibly different car overall. So I'm just so used to the AWD on my Audi Q5 to the point I don't really know what it's like driving on slippery roads or other non-dry pavement conditions at city or highway speeds when you're RWD.
Skip the MTS and Crawl and sign up for an off road class, that will be money better spent. Those features are nice, but the basic knowledge is better. An LE with FT4WD is a nice saftey redundancy for winter driving, so it's worth considering.
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Even taking cost out of the equation, I'm not sure which I would get haha.

- Limited gets full-time AWD - obviously "better", not sure on impact to fuel economy on an already not-efficient car
- Limited gets X-REAS instead of KDSS. I wouldn't know diff between on-road and off-road handling.
- Limited gets front+rear clearance sonars... I assume these are just the parking sensors? I really love these, would probably just add them aftermarket if needed?
- Limited gets bigger wheels - that's unfortunate... would need to replace tires AND wheels... just added cost
- Better speaker system is nice!
- Leather vs softex - maybe softex would actually be better? Given the utility aspect
- TRD gets locking rear diff. This almost seems described as "get out of jail" to really increase chances of getting out of a jam?
- TRD gets crawl control+terrain select... on paper, this seems like the biggest difference and something that SEEMS like I should definitely have
I see a lot of recommendations for the Limited and you mentioned the crawl control a few times for the TRD. Unless you're dug deep in, crawl control is overkill. Even with 4LO engaged, you'll be able to finesse yourself out of a lot of situations.

Where I live (New York / New Jersey) we get snow and ice a few months out of the year so full-time 4wd doesn't make sense. Not familiar with Vancouver, but how much of the year is actually snow/sleet/ice?
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Where I live (New York / New Jersey) we get snow and ice a few months out of the year so full-time 4wd doesn't make sense. Not familiar with Vancouver, but how much of the year is actually snow/sleet/ice?
Vancouver is like seattle/portland - virtually never see snow in the city. Plenty of rain all winter. Hit the mountains and you'll encounter varying degrees of plowed/unplowed snow and ice.

I am really disliking the way they do the full time 4WD! I don't want the larger wheels... blah. I'll look at them more closely and talk to the salesperson when I'm in the dealership Tuesday to test drive.
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Vancouver is like seattle/portland - virtually never see snow in the city. Plenty of rain all winter. Hit the mountains and you'll encounter varying degrees of plowed/unplowed snow and ice.

I am really disliking the way they do the full time 4WD! I don't want the larger wheels... blah. I'll look at them more closely and talk to the salesperson when I'm in the dealership Tuesday to test drive.
Same situation with my wife and I prior to buying our 17 TRD Off Road, drove the Limited, nice on the highway with the bigger rims I thought but didn't quite soak up the bigger road irregularities like the 17" wheel did, liked the memory seats though, but we didn't need the 3rd row seating either. Leather was nice but for our usage (dog too), the softex fits the bill.

We go camping a couple of times each year in Northern Ont with the little one so the TRD Off Road electronics get utilized up there for fun but to be honest, got a second set of rims and snow tires this past winter and don't think we engaged the transfer case to 4WD once. It is a heavy vehicle and with snows on it, that much better. The KDSS suspension option made a difference to us in test drives as well, wife likes to turn corners in the city with some spirit so it felt more planted in that respect of course. Still on the stock bridgestone tires, I hate them but my conscience can't toss them with only 30k on them just yet... No regrets otherwise. Good luck!
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The 4runner AWD drive system is actually pretty slick.

It has a Torsen limited slip diff with locker in the middle of the car with open diffs front and rear. When you switch from H4F (AWD) to H4L (4WD) it kicks the locker. When you switch from H4L to L4L it's just like any other 4WD low range. It's very similar to the Land Cruiser drive train.

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If one set of wheels (front or rear) looses traction, then the other set still gets power (limited slip) to pull/push you out. The limited slip differential the allows some slip between the front and rear axles can, and they can still turn at different rates, which is why it's usable every day.

The locking the center diff is 4WD with open diffs, like any 4runner. Both front and rear axles always turn at the same rate without slip. Not very good for high traction surfaces.
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The 4runner AWD drive system is actually pretty slick.

It has a Torsen limited slip diff with locker in the middle of the car with open diffs front and rear. When you switch from H4F (AWD) to H4L (4WD) it kicks the locker. When you switch from H4L to L4L it's just like any other 4WD low range. It's very similar to the Land Cruiser drive train.

A more robust description.
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If one set of wheels (front or rear) looses traction, then the other set still gets power (limited slip) to pull/push you out. The limited slip differential the allows some slip between the front and rear axles can, and they can still turn at different rates, which is why it's usable every day.

The locking the center diff is 4WD with open diffs, like any 4runner. Both front and rear axles always turn at the same rate without slip. Not very good for high traction surfaces.
You generally said a whole bunch of words I didn't follow one bit... haha
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You generally said a whole bunch of words I didn't follow one bit... haha
LOL. Mission accomplished.

A limited slip center diff tries to make the front and rear axles turn at the same rate. If one axle turns faster than the other one, it will send more power to the slower turning one. This is AWD.

A locked center diff makes the front and rear axles turn at the same rate. This is 4WD.
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I am looking to get a new adventure vehicle, and it seems likely that it will be the 4runner. Will be test driving one next week!

We have some slight differences in trims in Canada, but it seems only the Limited+Nightshade have full-time 4WD.

I currently have an Audi Q5 with (what I believe to be) very well-regarded AWD system. I live in Vancouver, BC so I experience varying conditions. I've never driven a "truck" before, nor dealt with these 4x4 systems.

I might be driving around the city on wet pavement, or up (paved) mountain roads in pouring rain? Might be driving up to a ski resort where it's mostly plowed but icy patches or slushy conditions. Going offroad on gravel, etc. Driving offroad or even mountain passes in winter season with varying levels of snow on the road.

From my limited experience, 4Hi is something you switch into when you need it, and not to be driven on bare/dry pavement. It also has a max speed, I think? I think I read somewhere it shouldn't be used for prolonged periods/over long distance?

Isn't RWD bad compared to FWD in poor conditions especially winter?

This seems like a slight recipe for disaster... but obviously these are already being used in this city and whatnot, so what am I overlooking or misunderstanding?
I live in Vancouver and frequently drive the Sea 2 Sky highway. I came from an AWD Grand Cherokee. I was in your position last year and ultimately decided to go with a TRD Pro over the AWD Limited. At first I missed the AWD on the Jeep when I was speeding through curvy mountain highways in the rain and snow. But the 4Runner is a different vehicle, it's not designed for speeding. I noticed right away it is much more fuel efficient with RWD rather than full time AWD. During the winter I would just bump it into 4WD if the roads were icy. It was great, no complaints. I preferred the look of the TRD Pro over the Limited, but if you like the aesthetics of the Limited go with that. The Softex vs leather wasn't a deal breaker for me. And the crawl control is more of a gimmick than anything, I haven't really found a use for it while offroading in the Lower Mainland yet.
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I live in Vancouver and frequently drive the Sea 2 Sky highway. I came from an AWD Grand Cherokee. I was in your position last year and ultimately decided to go with a TRD Pro over the AWD Limited. At first I missed the AWD on the Jeep when I was speeding through curvy mountain highways in the rain and snow. But the 4Runner is a different vehicle, it's not designed for speeding. I noticed right away it is much more fuel efficient with RWD rather than full time AWD. During the winter I would just bump it into 4WD if the roads were icy. It was great, no complaints. I preferred the look of the TRD Pro over the Limited, but if you like the aesthetics of the Limited go with that. The Softex vs leather wasn't a deal breaker for me. And the crawl control is more of a gimmick than anything, I haven't really found a use for it while offroading in the Lower Mainland yet.
Thanks for the insights - yeah the sea to sky is a great example where you can go from warm dry pavement to short bursts of wet road to slush to ice to unplowed snow before you hit whistler!

All signs are continuing to point, I think, to the off road for me. The pro is such a jump in price

And really you haven't used crawl control? I suppose it's NEVER "needed", was just up a branch of the mamquam the other day and coming back down with my friend in a wrangler, crawl control was used...
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Thanks for the insights - yeah the sea to sky is a great example where you can go from warm dry pavement to short bursts of wet road to slush to ice to unplowed snow before you hit whistler!

All signs are continuing to point, I think, to the off road for me. The pro is such a jump in price

And really you haven't used crawl control? I suppose it's NEVER "needed", was just up a branch of the mamquam the other day and coming back down with my friend in a wrangler, crawl control was used...
My first choice was a TRD Off Road in the medium grey metallic but couldn't find one anywhere. I ran out of time to keep looking and ended up buying a Pro in Cavalry Blue instead. Very happy with it so far.

I've tried out the crawl control a few times, but always felt it wasn't anything 4Lo couldn't handle with a steady foot. I've seen the videos of crawl control digging itself out of deep sand before, but haven't had the pleasure of trying that myself yet.
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