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So it's been three months with my 5th Gen 2020 SR5

Itís been three months, and I got a survey for my 5th gen 4Runner SR5 2020 last week. Itís one of those checkbox things. I might fill it out. I donít know. Iíd rather share thoughts. I wonder what would happen if I just printed this out and put this in the envelope. At least theyíre covering the postage.

Iím not sure if I love my 4Runner. Iím coming from a 2009 Jeep Liberty, after the refresh so it was boxier, and Iím finding the 4Runner to be a lot different from my first impressions in my first test drive and the first month or so of driving it.

(Iím going to be using the word car as a more specific term for what would commonly be a car style vehicle instead of referring to vehicles generically as cars. Likewise, terms like SUV and truck will be used in a more specific manner to differentiate vehicles. Iíll be using the word vehicle a lot, too.)

I was beginning to lean towards getting a car for my next vehicle. I was getting more into cars leading up to the time I found myself in the market for a new vehicle, but I ended up going with an SUV again. But before that, I was watching the Initial D anime which rekindled some of my interest in cars in that category. Another thing that had me leaning towards a car is that I was kind of treating my Liberty as a car towards the end of its life. I got really familiar with it, and I was enjoying the performance, but it was kind of limiting with its size and weight.

Another thing that may have colored my view is that the Liberty kind of shared a platform with a Dodge SUV of the time. I actually didnít know this until a month or so ago. It also had part time 4WD and RWD when it was turned off. I didnít even know much about the Dodge brand until earlier this year, but I can see why the setup the Liberty and the Dodge SUV would lend itself towards a Dodge mindset. While it wasnít super powerful super performance, it still felt powerful to drive.

My 5th gen 4RunnerÖ doesnít feel powerful on the road. Itís big, heavy, and slow. It doesnít give me the beans in my belly when I give it the beans with my right foot and my hands on the steering wheel.

In some respects, thatís a good thing. Iím not going to give any excuses for being irresponsible, and Iím not promoting driving recklessly or anything. However, you donít have to get close to that limit with the 4Runner for it to be apparent that youíre not going to have a good time. I could have more fun with my old Liberty while still being safe. I think that comes down to a few things. Those things arenít necessarily bad things. They may just be bad for me. I think thatís going to be the conclusion I get to when this is all over, that itís good, just not good for me.

The 4Runner accelerates poorly. There, I said it. Floor it, donít floor it, itís not too different. Maybe itís just me, but it seems to me that my 4Runner gives me a little bit more when I press on the pedal a bit less from maximum. Max throttle does make the engine louder, but it doesnít pull any more. Out of every vehicle Iíve ever driven, the 4Runner scores the lowest on the butt dyno.

Itís so heavy, too. I was taking a turn on a road Iíve driven thousands of times last Friday, and I got to this one corner. Itís one of the most engaging corners I drive, and the 4Runner makes it engaging for all the wrong reasons. With the Liberty, it would be slow down, turn in, keep it tight, and pull away powerfully. With the 4Runner, it was like I was trying to drive a shopping cart with an elephant in the baby seat through the corner. It was a lumbering mess. It didnít feel good at all.

And itís so big. This actually isnít something that I totally dislike. Itís a fortress on wheels. Roomy, lots of storage, etc. Even if itís not a luxury vehicle, there are lots of practical features. Even more so since Iíve got a 2020 with USB charging ports in the back seat, Android Auto, etc. But that size. Its overall size is a bit bigger than my old Liberty. Itís about a foot longer, and itís got to be a bit wider as well. I was feeling the size more in the early days, but then the pandemic happened, so I havenít been encountering crowded mall parking lots. Iím not sure how Iím going to feel about it when things get more back to normal and Iím not one of the few vehicles parking in any parking lot Iím in. Maybe Iíll already be used to it by then, maybe I wonít. On the flip side, itís a lot of mass. Itís more room than I need. I was thinking about getting a car, so I know this is more room than I need. Since itís so wide and long, itís a bit much to handle sometimes, even if there arenít so many other vehicles around. My parking situation at home is a little odd, too, and I wish I had a smaller vehicle to navigate it. Especially if it was a bit more narrow.

Then thereís the steering. HrmÖ This is a weird one. This comparison might not make sense to you, but try to imagine. Itís 1994, and Daytona USA just came out in the arcade. The force feedback in the steering wheel is new and powerful. Thatís my Liberty. Now, itís 2002, and the remaining Daytona USA games in the arcade are showing their age. When you turn the steering wheel, thereís no resistance or feedback. Thatís closer to what I experience with the 4Runner. It feels like Iím turning nothing at all! Stupid sexy Flanders!

Another thing that I donít like is the throttle response. I donít know whatís to blame. I looked into the Sprint Booster, but I donít think thatís the direction I want to go. Itís kind of expensive, too. I know the 4th gen V6 paled in comparison to the V8. I actually looked at V8s on Carfax this morning. I think I at least would have been happier with an older V8. Maybe I wouldnít have been in love with it, but I think I would have been happier.

Even with all of these issues, I still think my 4Runner is a good vehicle. Itís great at what it does. Itís also been proven to be a reliable, durable, dependable vehicle. With all thatís been going on in the world in the past few months, me getting my 4Runner may have been the most responsible thing I could have done. With proper maintenance, itís not going to let me down. It may not have the best gas mileage, but I wonít have to spend time and money dealing with problems. And if the worst happens, I can put on some off road tires and go off the grid into safety.

But I donít love it like I loved my Liberty. My Liberty may have been a piece of crap, but it made me happy. My Liberty was a unibody, and my 4Runner has made me realize I donít care so much about truck style body on frame. Looking back, my momís old Chevy Blazer was body on frame, and I didnít even know it until I looked it up last week out of curiosity. Going from Blazer to Liberty, it didnít matter to me at all. I didnít even notice the change in body type. At least for my driving needs, body on frame doesnít matter one bit.

One thing that does matter more to me is rear wheel drive, or at least a default state of rear wheel drive. I didnít even know, but wow, rear wheel drive really became a luxury thing since the 80s and 90s. Once they got front wheel drive cheap enough to produce, it became the standard for the proletariat. Somehow Iíve avoided front wheel drive nearly all my life. I drove my dadís short-lived lemon of a Cherokee with front wheel drive a couple times, and it was so weird. My first car was a 1983 Ford Fairmont with RWD. Then I drove older SUVs, body on frame or unibody, with RWD/4WD and a detour with an 89 or 90 Chevy Caprice Classic when I had to borrow it from my dad. V8 RWD goodness! It was a boat, but it was good!

Actually, I think this is the first time I thought about the Caprice and the 4Runner together, and I think I liked driving the Caprice more.

When I was looking at vehicles earlier this year, I was leaning towards an AWD/RWD default car. Options were limited, though. The big candidates were the Dodges. I began to get more educated on Fiat Chrysler, and my Libertyís transmission unceremoniously died for the second time, so that struck Dodge off the list. Long story short, cutting out other brands and their cars that I decided against, and the fact that reliability became more important than ever in my decision, I went with the 4Runner. The big reasons I went with the 4Runner was the reliability, in no small part due to it having older technology that was proven dependable, and the fact that other SUVs adopted the cheaper FWD technology which just made me feel like I would have been getting so much less for my money. A side reason was also that itís becoming harder to get a two seat pickup truck which was something I was considering as an alternative to my interest in cars. However, Toyota stopped offering them a few years ago, and other brands were out of the question due to reliability concerns. Regarding my consideration of getting a two seater pickup truck, the 4Runner also catered to that. Fold down the back seats, and I get the space I wanted without having to get a cap separately which is also something I was going to get.

(As an aside, I wonder if I would have been happy with a two seater pickup truck, too. Smaller pickups that I sometimes still see on the road arenít really being made anymore, so thatís another thing going against my pickup idea.)

ButÖ the 4Runner is so dull. It doesnít excite me. Sometimes I get excited about going off road, but then I remember I live in Central New Jersey, and Iíve got to go really far just to go off road. The closest road I know of is the road just south of the safari at Six Flags. Itís a dirt road. I havenít been there yet, but maybe next weekend. Itís hardly an open place to exercise my freedom or a trail to challenge myself, though. I can see myself being bored of that road real fast. Iím aslo a little concerned about being hit by someone hooning their WRX on the road. I might still be able to drive home while their car would be in serious trouble, but it would still do a number on my 4Runnerís body. Anyway, it feels like the 4Runner is out of its natural habitat here. It will never be happy, and it wonít make me happy to drive it.

I was walking to the mailbox last week. A Toyota 86/Subaru BRZ passed by. It sounded so good. I wanted to drive it. It looked good, even from the back. It wasnít even going fast. Even after getting my 4Runner, I still looked at cars. I really looked at the 86/BRZ. Itís RWD and not super expensive like a Lexus or a BMW or something. I didnít even know there was a snow mode in the automatic transmission model. It might not be the fastest, most powerful car, but itís light and fun. Itís more practical than it might seem, too. A part of me really wants to trade in my 4Runner for an 86/BRZ. The stock tires are too slippery for my taste, but I could get better ones for the summer. I then could get snow tires for the winter. Thatís something that I didnít even know was a thing for the year I had my 83 Fairmont. I spun out in my first snow storm in high school. Driving it in snow after that was always a harrowing experience. I even missed a once in a lifetime concert because I wasnít confident Iíd make it there or back in one piece in the snow that night. It didnít have snow tires, not that I thought I should have had snow tires. I just didnít know back then. That incident influenced my 4WD/AWD leanings ever since. If my Liberty didnít fail when it did, I might have gone with the 86/BRZ. If I only had another month, I could have educated myself on whatís possible with RWD. I was already educating myself on cars again. My Liberty hit the 11 years old mark in January. I was already beginning to look at my next car even though I personally hoped it was still a few years away. I needed a little bit more time.

With things the way they are now, though, trading in a solid, dependable vehicle for something thatís still rather reliable but would be about me enjoying it more than anything else isnít very responsible. I should be happy that this 4Runner will take me through what might be the next great depression. And it really is a great vehicle that does a lot of things that I appreciate. But the other part of it is that itís a pandemic, and if the coronavirus does kill me, no matter how unlikely, I donít think I want my last vehicle and my time spent in it to be something that I donít love. Finally, even if there wasnít an economic crisis or a public health crisis, I still think I wouldnít be happy with it. Like I said pretty early on, I think itís a great vehicle, but Iím not sure itís for me.

Decisions, am I right? In any case, Iím kind of stuck with my 4Runner for the foreseeable future anyway. I donít want to get any other vehicle without test driving it first, and thatís not really possible these days.
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I have to say, I quit reading after about halfway through. Can I get that time back?
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What a ridiculous post. You bought a big, slow, body on frame, offroad SUV and you wanted none of those things. What did you expect?

Go buy a Miata. Not knocking miatas btw, they are awesome cars.
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I donít know why people complain about the dull driving experience of the car. Itís a body on frame SUV, I think most people buy it for utility.
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I have to say, I quit reading after about halfway through. Can I get that time back?
You arenít the only one. From what I skimmed.
He misses his Liberty and thinks it was better than his base sr5 4Runner. Never mind that the service manager at the Jeep dealer knew him so well he is his childrenís godfather. He misses the Jeep wave is what it seems to boil down to.
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You arenít the only one. From what I skimmed.
He misses his Liberty and thinks it was better than his base sr5 4Runner. Never mind that the service manager at the Jeep dealer knew him so well he is his childrenís godfather. He misses the Jeep wave is what it seems to boil down to.
I don't think anyone with a Liberty has ever been waved at by another Jeep. Even other Liberty owners likely avert their eyes.
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I think owning a 4Runner starts well before the purchase. You have to convince yourself that you really want one. I have a 4th gen V8 and I know I wouldn't be as happy with the V6, at least not initially and that's why I planned on buying a V8 all along. Other than that I was coming out of a 20 year old GMC Suburban so the 4Runner was a pleasant surprise in many respects.
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So it's been three months with my 5th Gen 2020 SR5

I read like the first paragraph and stopped. Sounds like buyers remorse from lack of research.

I suggest you sell it as soon as you find another vehicle you like and have done some research.

If I want HP, I just jump into my X5m :-)

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Do we even know that itís a ďheĒ? I mean, men generally donít publish 18 pages of inner dialogue in their online diary. Maybe ďheĒ forgot the R in his username and it should be Gramma Ray.

P.S. Gramma- quit being cheap and buy the Sprint Booster, it will change your miserable, Jeep loving life.


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dude. no one cares. buy a different car and stop whining.
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Love my 4Runner. Never expected it to be fast n nimble though. Way better than a Heep Liberty, hands down.

I bought an 06 BMW Z4M for when I wanna go fast n nimble.


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Trolling?

I have a Lexus sedan that I can zip around in if I feel the need. It usually sits in the garage because I can't get enough of driving my big slow beast.
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OMG. ......I started reading this pity-fest but my eyes glazed over and when I came to I had face lacerations from hitting the keyboard.

Coffee, I need coff.....no make that a quarple shot of Jack D.

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Love my 4Runner. Never expected it to be fast n nimble though. Way better than a Heep Liberty, hands down.

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So I just bought a 2020 TRD Off Road Premium. I had been looking for at least 2 months for something new as I had a 2005 4Runner Sport V8 (original owner).

When I first test drove the new 4Runners I have to say I was quite disappointed. There's a reason I had one for 16 years and let my wife buy 2 new cars in that period of time while I still held on to Big Blue (what my son called it). I really wanted another one but I was, in all honesty, bummed about the lack of acceleration and throttle response. I knew it was a V6 but... it was pretty lackluster.

tldr; I test drove so many V8 trucks/SUVs its not funny in the past 2 months. I finally realized something... nothing out is like a 4Runner. So I went in, bought it and couldn't be happier.

With that said, I recently just put in a Sprint Booster... as honest as I can be, I am ecstatic with the results. Absolutely blown away at what it has done and I am soooooooooooooooo glad I didn't give in and get a lesser vehicle.

Oh, and I only got to the Sprint Booster part of the OP thread before I glazed over and stopped reading.

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So just skimming the life story, and some of the replies, the OP is not happy with the 4Runner he/she bought.

My advice is to sell it tomorrow, and buy something else.

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