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Old 06-17-2020, 05:49 PM #16
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There is a computer between the shift lever and the transmission, it won't let you shift in such a way to cause damage.
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There is a computer between the shift lever and the transmission, it won't let you shift in such a way to cause damage.
Okay, that's reassuring! I guess worst case, I still have my trust foot for the brake pedal if needed
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Okay, that's reassuring! I guess worst case, I still have my trust foot for the brake pedal if needed
It works well, been teaching my fiancee engine breaking and shes trying to get a feel for when to downshift. The computer/beeper has helped on a few occasions haha
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My 2013 is slow to downshift when needed on a freeway ramp. I always run it in S5. Helps the hesitation on downshifting.

When I start mine, I push the shifter left and hold it forward for a few seconds to put it in S5.

Maybe the newer T4s don't do this.

I use engine braking often in the mountains. Just bump the shifter back to go to S4 or S3 when you feel it's needed. When done with hills, hold the shifter forward and it will return to S5 for normal driving.
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My 2013 is slow to downshift when needed on a freeway ramp. I always run it in S5. Helps the hesitation on downshifting.

When I start mine, I push the shifter left and hold it forward for a few seconds to put it in S5.

Maybe the newer T4s don't do this.

I use engine braking often in the mountains. Just bump the shifter back to go to S4 or S3 when you feel it's needed. When done with hills, hold the shifter forward and it will return to S5 for normal driving.
Wait so instead of flicking it up twice from 3 to get to 5, i just have to hold it??? I have just been swinging it back to Drive and then left again if I wanted to go into S4 lol
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So on top of the 4runner having some level of "smart system" not letting you downshift when it's problematic, I assume I can also shift right back into D at ANY point, and it will then return to adjusting the gear when appropriate?
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So on top of the 4runner having some level of "smart system" not letting you downshift when it's problematic, I assume I can also shift right back into D at ANY point, and it will then return to adjusting the gear when appropriate?
That is correct. Shifting back into D will just remove the gear limiter. So far example, when Im driving up hill, i like to put it into 4th at keep it at around 60mph. Once I finish cresting the hill, I shift it back into D and it will automatically shift up into 5th.
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The wear and tear on an automatic transmission, fluid, etc. is mostly during shifts, not when it is in a particular gear. Once it is in a gear, the transmission doesn't care which way the load is applied. The only difference in coasting in 5th vs 4th or 3rd is how fast it is spinning and some increased load on the gears. It's not like the gears are strong in one direction and weak in the other. It's just the opposite side of the gear teeth get the load during coasting vs. accelerating.
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Wait so instead of flicking it up twice from 3 to get to 5, i just have to hold it??? I have just been swinging it back to Drive and then left again if I wanted to go into S4 lol
Yes, I learned this from another post. I was doing it the dumb way for a long time.
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When driving down steep hills I use the brakes to slow down to near the speed I need to be at, then downshift to brush off the remainder of the speed and hold it there. Then minimal additional braking needed to maintain the slower speed.
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So yesterday I was able to try out engine braking for the first real time - I was coming down a local mountain road (paved), and in D it was just accelerating. Even when I went into S it was the same... I believe I eventually tried going to S-2 but at that point the RPM went up above 4.5k and I didn't keep it there, went to D and used brakes but I smelled some burning smell?

I feel like my first trial of this concept didn't go so well...
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So yesterday I was able to try out engine braking for the first real time - I was coming down a local mountain road (paved), and in D it was just accelerating. Even when I went into S it was the same... I believe I eventually tried going to S-2 but at that point the RPM went up above 4.5k and I didn't keep it there, went to D and used brakes but I smelled some burning smell?

I feel like my first trial of this concept didn't go so well...
Going into S just drops you to 4th gear. 4.5k RPM isnt that bad. Burning smell ...new car right? It'll go away ahah. Make sure you're using BOTH the brakes and engine braking. I can take a video of me engine braking down a LONG steep mountain road and show you the transmission temperatures (pan and converter).
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So yesterday I was able to try out engine braking for the first real time - I was coming down a local mountain road (paved), and in D it was just accelerating. Even when I went into S it was the same... I believe I eventually tried going to S-2 but at that point the RPM went up above 4.5k and I didn't keep it there, went to D and used brakes but I smelled some burning smell?

I feel like my first trial of this concept didn't go so well...
An excerpt from this trucker website, primarily for big rig drivers, but applicable to all heavy vehicles like the 4Runner. I bolded some of the text:

Safety Tips for Driving on Hills | fleetanswers.com

Tips for Approaching Hills
The approach is often where accidents and mistakes happen, because driver's expect problems when coming down the hill, not coming up. Keep these tips in mind:
* Watch for signage - Hills with hazards, like falling rocks or deceptive grades, will have signage that indicate their characteristics. When approaching a hill, watch for this type of signage, and heed it.
* Slow down - Do not speed up to try to get up the hill. Slow down, especially as you approach the top of the hill. Towards the top, the contour of the road will make it difficult to see, so going too quickly will make risks even more hazardous.
* Prepare for surprises - As you approach a hill, know that you are going to face surprises. Start being more aware, so any animal, vehicle, or road obstruction doesn't turn into a catastrophe.
* Note the weather - Wet or icy roads can make it more challenging to get up the hill, so note the weather as you approach.
* Prepare for less visibility - The surprising risk of hills is the fact that you can't see what's coming. Be prepared for limited visibility as you approach the crest.
* Yield to downhill travelers - If on a narrow road or other situation where someone must yield to oncoming traffic, always yield to the downhill vehicle, which will have trouble stopping.

Tips for the Descent
When you descend the hill, you need some additional tips. Consider these:
* Slow down - The hill will cause some natural speed increases, so slow down to avoid speeding too quickly. Also, it's difficult to stop on a hill, so a slower speed is wise.
* Downshift - Running at a lower gear will help hold you back so you don't get going too fast. This will also help reduce wear and tear on your breaks.
Use brakes wisely - Use brakes wisely to maintain a safe speed, but avoid situations where you need to stop suddenly on a hill, if possible.”
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Going into S just drops you to 4th gear. 4.5k RPM isnt that bad. Burning smell ...new car right? It'll go away ahah. Make sure you're using BOTH the brakes and engine braking. I can take a video of me engine braking down a LONG steep mountain road and show you the transmission temperatures (pan and converter).
Oh I was definitely trying to avoid using the brake pedal. So I guess switching into a lower gear AND selectively applying brakes simply means that you won't have to run your brakes like you otherwise would have to in automatic?

Cause that likely changes things

And yeah, new car. About 700km
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