06-28-2020, 06:53 PM
|
#16
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: North of Dallas
Posts: 1,664
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: North of Dallas
Posts: 1,664
|
Anyhow... this guy knows what he is doing... it’s 145 pages so get your soda and popcorn before you start because you be there awhile
Best is the Halogen ...
3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights | Tacoma World
__________________
2020 4Runner SR5 Premium 4x4
Barcelona Red, Graphite/Grey
Sunroof
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
06-28-2020, 06:54 PM
|
#17
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 975
|
|
Member
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 975
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by TOYO74
I agree with you: if the part does not fit in the OEM socket, plug, or housing opening without chopping, then it does not belong there. No way would I use something as crude as side cutters to try cutting away millimeters of plastic.
I just can't understand the obsession with all the lighting mods. Seems if you really can't see at night with the DOT approved OEM lights maybe you are over driving the light field or night driving isn't for you.
|
The OEMs (imho) arent as bad as some people say they are. They worked OK for me around the mountain roads near Yosemite but the H11 upgrade (not H9) worked much better on the really dark no moon/new moon nights. They cost more than the H9s but are plug and play. Same bulb that is recommended in the Tacoma thread. That OP has some pretty good posts!
Nighthawk Xenon 120 (h11s)
__________________
2019 ORP - KDSS, Dobinsons C59-302/GS59-700 front and C59-725/IMS59-50701 rear, Dobinsons UCA, DuroBump/Daystar bumpstops, Sonoran Steel High Articulation tracbar, Marlin Crawler LCA frame brace, OGS Lo-Key Bumper w/ Warn VR EVO 10-S, RCI Sliders, fully armored with RCI/C4/Outgear Solutions skids, Falken Wildpeak M/T 285/70/17, LFD SS-Crossbars, ARB breather kit (Rear Diff and Locker), ScanGaugeII, Anytime Front/Backup Camera, onboard ARB Twin compressor MORRFlate kit, and DD SS3 Sport fogs
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
06-28-2020, 07:16 PM
|
#18
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 2,247
Real Name: Mark
|
|
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 2,247
Real Name: Mark
|
I don’t recall seeing any analysis of the headlight wiring on this forum for increased current for this mod. But here’s a quick way to look at it with some estimates.
The OEM lowbeam H11 is rated 55W. If your engine is off, the battery supplies about 12V. 55/12=4.6A.
The H9 is a 65W bulb. 65/12=5.4A. So you’re drawing 0.8A more. Only 17% more than the OEM bulb.
If the headlight power wires are 14AWG stranded, they are rated for 24A (according to some other references I’ve seen 32A).
Of course Toyota derates everything very conservatively for safety so the insulation doesn’t melt, taking into consideration the temperature rise of the wire during operation, the aging of the wire, the ambient temperature under the hood in a bundle of other wires, current of the circuit under the worst cases, etc.
With all those worst cases and with derating for a huge margin of safety, Toyota fused each headlight for 10A.
So don’t worry about another 0.8 A.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
06-28-2020, 07:56 PM
|
#19
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
Posts: 1,256
Real Name: Mark
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
Posts: 1,256
Real Name: Mark
|
Best "just plug in" headlight upgrade?
Quote:
Originally Posted by TOYO74
I agree with you: if the part does not fit in the OEM socket, plug, or housing opening without chopping, then it does not belong there. No way would I use something as crude as side cutters to try cutting away millimeters of plastic.
I just can't understand the obsession with all the lighting mods. Seems if you really can't see at night with the DOT approved OEM lights maybe you are over driving the light field or night driving isn't for you.
|
I think it’s because if you’ve driven any other modern vehicle... and I’ve driven dozens if not hundreds because I rent 40-50 vehicles a year in addition to the 39 I’ve personally owned... you realize how deficient the stock 4Runner lights have been for at least the past decade.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
Current: 2004 Land Cruiser Thundercloud Metallic
Former: 2020 ORP Silver. BFG AT KO2s, TRD Skid Plate, added Rear Sliding Deck, Pro LED fogs, Infinity REF-3032CFX dash speakers.
In Between: 2020 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon with almost all options. Got tired of worrying about it disintegrating and ending up setting at the dealer for weeks and months.
Former: 2010 TE Silver w/ C4 Fab Rock Sliders, TRD skid plate, ECGS bushing upgrade, Bilstein 5100s, and BFG AT KO2 tires.
Last edited by 00Sebby; 06-28-2020 at 07:59 PM.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
06-28-2020, 08:20 PM
|
#20
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Sand Point, Idaho
Posts: 270
|
|
Member
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Sand Point, Idaho
Posts: 270
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 00Sebby
I think it’s because if you’ve driven any other modern vehicle... and I’ve driven dozens if not hundreds because I rent 40-50 vehicles a year in addition to the 39 I’ve personally owned... you realize how deficient the stock 4Runner lights have been for at least the past decade.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
|
Good point. My 2016 4R is my first "modern" vehicle in 36 yrs. so the lights seem good to me! However I do miss the glass lens rectangular headlights on my 84!
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
06-28-2020, 08:57 PM
|
#21
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 2,247
Real Name: Mark
|
|
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 2,247
Real Name: Mark
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude
That does it...I’m getting H9’s!
|
As
@ 00Sebby
said, it’s a great beginner mod. And the result is very satisfying. You’re not messing with your truck, just a bulb. The Standard Philips H9 is about $14 on Amazon. Do like he did, modify one bulb, shine it on a wall. Take a photo. Then go for a drive at night. See which bulb is brighter and has greater distance.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
06-28-2020, 09:57 PM
|
#22
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: NH
Posts: 229
|
|
Member
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: NH
Posts: 229
|
I have been quite happy with the PIAA night tech bulbs in mine. About 2 years now and no issues. I have them in high and low and have cheap amazon amber LED's in the fogs that seem to work pretty decent.
__________________
Toyota 4x4 #17 - 2011 4Runner Trail Edition
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
06-28-2020, 10:20 PM
|
#23
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Orange Co, NC
Posts: 1,295
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Orange Co, NC
Posts: 1,295
|
Best "just plug in" headlight upgrade?
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElectroBoy
As
@ 00Sebby
said, it’s a great beginner mod. And the result is very satisfying. You’re not messing with your truck, just a bulb. The Standard Philips H9 is about $14 on Amazon. Do like he did, modify one bulb, shine it on a wall. Take a photo. Then go for a drive at night. See which bulb is brighter and has greater distance.
|
There are a billion H9 LED bulbs on Amazon... any problems with pattern projection from LED bulbs?
__________________
2012 4Runner Limited, Shoreline Blue Pearl / Beige leather, RCI skid, ext rear diff breather, Derale 13504 cooler, 110K
1993 300ZX Cherry Red Pearl with some bling, K&N intake, PowerTrix suspension, 130K
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
06-28-2020, 11:34 PM
|
#24
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 2,247
Real Name: Mark
|
|
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 2,247
Real Name: Mark
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by zcruiser
There are a billion H9 LED bulbs on Amazon... any problems with pattern projection from LED bulbs?
|
LED drop-in bulbs are going to give you terrible performance in housings designed for halogen bulbs. Your foreground will be bright but your distance will be crap. Some Tacoma guys did lots of research and tested bulbs to show how bad they project and cause glare. As RichinRidgewood said, it’s science.
If you want LED headlights, buy a complete LED headlight package for $$$.
But
@ mynameistory
describes it best here:
https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3474295-post42346.html
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
06-29-2020, 01:34 AM
|
#25
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Chicago's NW Suburbs
Posts: 232
|
|
Member
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Chicago's NW Suburbs
Posts: 232
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 00Sebby
I think it’s because if you’ve driven any other modern vehicle... [] you realize how deficient the stock 4Runner lights have been for at least the past decade.
|
This.
__________________
RCI Sliders & TRD Integration, Transmission and Transfer Case Skids
Eibach TRD Pro Lift, 285/70/17 KO2s
TRD Intake, ARB Breathers
Pioneer 8500NEX
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
06-29-2020, 08:19 AM
|
#26
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
Posts: 1,256
Real Name: Mark
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
Posts: 1,256
Real Name: Mark
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by TOYO74
Good point. My 2016 4R is my first "modern" vehicle in 36 yrs. so the lights seem good to me! However I do miss the glass lens rectangular headlights on my 84!
|
Hey, I remember the old days looking for Hella and other "upgrade" sealed beams! I also remember getting the Hella E-code square housings that took an H4 halogen bulb for my XJ Cherokees. Those were great. My favorites were the 7" round Lucas Tri-Pods.
But nowadays, even my old beater '08 GTI faded headlights are lightyears ahead of the 4Runner. My '20 Rubicon for the short time I had it, was like lighting up a stadium with the factory LEDs (terrible snow-blind in the snow though and one of the reasons I am not a big LED fan). I do drive a lot at night and good lighting is a must have for me.
__________________
Current: 2004 Land Cruiser Thundercloud Metallic
Former: 2020 ORP Silver. BFG AT KO2s, TRD Skid Plate, added Rear Sliding Deck, Pro LED fogs, Infinity REF-3032CFX dash speakers.
In Between: 2020 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon with almost all options. Got tired of worrying about it disintegrating and ending up setting at the dealer for weeks and months.
Former: 2010 TE Silver w/ C4 Fab Rock Sliders, TRD skid plate, ECGS bushing upgrade, Bilstein 5100s, and BFG AT KO2 tires.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
06-29-2020, 08:27 AM
|
#27
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
Posts: 1,256
Real Name: Mark
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
Posts: 1,256
Real Name: Mark
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElectroBoy
LED drop-in bulbs are going to give you terrible performance in housings designed for halogen bulbs. Your foreground will be bright but your distance will be crap. Some Tacoma guys did lots of research and tested bulbs to show how bad they project and cause glare. As RichinRidgewood said, it’s science.
If you want LED headlights, buy a complete LED headlight package for $$$.
But
@ mynameistory
describes it best here:
https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3474295-post42346.html
|
My '20 Rubicon had OEM LEDs with projectors. It was still glary in the rain and you couldn't see crap in the snow at night. It lit up the snow flakes so brightly and high (not a great cutoff) in your field of view that you couldn't see 100 feet in front of the vehicle if completely dark. In nice weather they were amazing though. But it made me wary of LEDs in general though I know that is all we will have eventually. You can almost always tell a LED-equipped JL Jeep from a distance. Looks like the same blinding glare you see from the cheap aftermarket LEDs.
__________________
Current: 2004 Land Cruiser Thundercloud Metallic
Former: 2020 ORP Silver. BFG AT KO2s, TRD Skid Plate, added Rear Sliding Deck, Pro LED fogs, Infinity REF-3032CFX dash speakers.
In Between: 2020 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon with almost all options. Got tired of worrying about it disintegrating and ending up setting at the dealer for weeks and months.
Former: 2010 TE Silver w/ C4 Fab Rock Sliders, TRD skid plate, ECGS bushing upgrade, Bilstein 5100s, and BFG AT KO2 tires.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
06-29-2020, 08:59 AM
|
#28
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Texas
Posts: 110
Real Name: Old man
|
|
Member
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Texas
Posts: 110
Real Name: Old man
|
To each their own. I'd get auxiliary lights before replacing OEM.
__________________
2018 T4R TRD Pro Stock - RSG Sliders - Lock'er Down Console Safe - Yaesu 7900 - Cobra 75 - Garmin 55 Dash Cam - Gaia GPS - Garmin InReach Mini - Earthmate - Baja Designs Squad Sport Ditch Lights w/ Cali Raised Low Profile Ditch Light Brackets -Diode Dynamics SS3 Fog Light Kit - LFD Crossbars - BFG K2s - Warn VR EVO 10s - Warn Semi-Hidden Bumper
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
06-29-2020, 03:02 PM
|
#29
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 2,247
Real Name: Mark
|
|
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 2,247
Real Name: Mark
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 00Sebby
My '20 Rubicon had OEM LEDs with projectors. It was still glary in the rain and you couldn't see crap in the snow at night. It lit up the snow flakes so brightly and high (not a great cutoff) in your field of view that you couldn't see 100 feet in front of the vehicle if completely dark. In nice weather they were amazing though. But it made me wary of LEDs in general though I know that is all we will have eventually. You can almost always tell a LED-equipped JL Jeep from a distance. Looks like the same blinding glare you see from the cheap aftermarket LEDs.
|
I did not know this about the Jeep LED headlights. I wonder if this poor foul weather performance is a characteristic of all new OEM LED headlights, or just Jeep.
I do know from driving thousands of miles at night in the last three years that as more newer vehicles populate the roads their headlights keep getting worse for oncoming traffic. The glare is at times unbearable, even in a higher vehicle like my 4R. Even on multi-lane highways with lanes separated by wide medians. I always attributed this to owner retrofits of crappy LEDs, misaligned headlights, or bozos driving in clear weather with their fog lights on. But now it seems that even some OEM LED headlights could inherently be crap.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
06-29-2020, 03:18 PM
|
#30
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Salvo NC / Glen Allen VA
Posts: 782
Real Name: Ted A Hamilton
|
|
Member
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Salvo NC / Glen Allen VA
Posts: 782
Real Name: Ted A Hamilton
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElectroBoy
I did not know this about the Jeep LED headlights. I wonder if this poor foul weather performance is a characteristic of all new OEM LED headlights, or just Jeep.
I do know from driving thousands of miles at night in the last three years that as more newer vehicles populate the roads their headlights keep getting worse for oncoming traffic. The glare is at times unbearable, even in a higher vehicle like my 4R. Even on multi-lane highways with lanes separated by wide medians. I always attributed this to owner retrofits of crappy LEDs, misaligned headlights, or bozos driving in clear weather with their fog lights on. But now it seems that even some OEM LED headlights could inherently be crap.
|
Keep in mind as you get older cataracts can make oncoming headlights a problem, regardless if old or new. 😉
__________________
Ted A. Hamilton
(aka Salvo Jimmy)
Glen Allen VA
2022 SR5 Premium 4WD
No Mods, Yet😇
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is On
|
|
|
|