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Old 04-16-2021, 08:39 PM #46
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Been through this problem. If you wear in the tires driving through the shake, it gets real hard to get rid of. You either replace the tires, or do your best road force balance and drive them to their end of life and get new. Ours got feathered or sawtooth wear from the shakes. Part of the problem was that my wife just ignored and drove through the shakes which were annoying enough to me as a passenger to push me to get the road force balancing done. It did clean it up some but the burned in feathered wear wouldn’t allow for total clean up. Fortunately we had 15K miles left on the tires, so new ones were coming up. All this experience was on Cooper AT3s. The new set of Copper AT3s have been a joy to drive. The guys at the tire shop just cringed when I asked for road force balancing and they saw that it was a Toyota.

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Been through this problem. If you wear in the tires driving through the shake, it gets real hard to get rid of. You either replace the tires, or do your best road force balance and drive them to their end of life and get new.
I just got brand new tires.

On a 2.5 year old vehicle with this price tag (not to mention the Toyota quality hype), highway-speed ride quality issues are unacceptable. I never had these problems on my Rubicon. Or my Xterras. Or any other vehicle I've owned, including my '07 4Runner.

Much of the time on the old set (KO2's), the ride was okay. The problems appeared after rotations. Leading to multiple balance/road force attempts, sometimes at different shops, to get the ride to an acceptable level. That's why I stopped rotating them, but they were wearing out and had to go.
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I just got brand new tires.

On a 2.5 year old vehicle with this price tag (not to mention the Toyota quality hype), highway-speed ride quality issues are unacceptable. I never had these problems on my Rubicon. Or my Xterras. Or any other vehicle I've owned, including my '07 4Runner.

Much of the time on the old set (KO2's), the ride was okay. The problems appeared after rotations. Leading to multiple balance/road force attempts, sometimes at different shops, to get the ride to an acceptable level. That's why I stopped rotating them, but they were wearing out and had to go.
We have over 250K miles on a 2014 SR5. Id say that half of those miles we had some sort of wheel shake at 60 mph. Been through everything and the only thing that corrected it was road force balancing. I realize youre not happy, but I and many others are telling you the same thing to correct it and I have a shit load more miles than your grocery hauling miles. You can either listen to experience or continue your whining.
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... The guys at the tire shop just cringed when I asked for road force balancing and they saw that it was a Toyota.
It is not Toyota in its entirety more so the 4Runner and GX have sensitivity to road force generally anything above about 12-14 lbs (not excessive and actual within limits for most suvs and trucks) and you can have a vibration. Put tires with the same road force measurements, sometimes much more on something like a Camry or ES and you might not notice a thing. The trickiest thing with road force is the initial balance the beads are not necessarily seated in entirely and the numbers can and do change pertaining to road force after it is driven.


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... Been through everything and the only thing that corrected it was road force balancing. I realize youre not happy, but I and many others are telling you the same thing to correct it and I have a shit load more miles than your grocery hauling miles. You can either listen to experience or continue your whining.
Grocery hauling miles, LOL.

The new set of tires was road forced when installed on March 24. The steering wheel shook at highway speed. They road forced them again on April 8, this time moving two of them on the rim. Now the steering wheel shakes worse at highway speed.

The old set was road forced more times than I care to count.

So tell me again that all I need to do is go in and have the tires road forced.

I don't know your history, but this isn't my first vehicle, not even my first 4Runner. I've put many miles (and overseas km's) on a variety of vehicles I've owned or otherwise driven. I've never encountered this problem with any of the others. I'd never heard of "road force" before I owned this vehicle.
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I just got brand new tires.

On a 2.5 year old vehicle with this price tag (not to mention the Toyota quality hype), highway-speed ride quality issues are unacceptable. I never had these problems on my Rubicon. Or my Xterras. Or any other vehicle I've owned, including my '07 4Runner.

Much of the time on the old set (KO2's), the ride was okay. The problems appeared after rotations. Leading to multiple balance/road force attempts, sometimes at different shops, to get the ride to an acceptable level. That's why I stopped rotating them, but they were wearing out and had to go.
Just a thought, but I would take them back to the tire shop and swap them for Toyo OC AT3's. Stock size E load is fairly light at 48 lbs compared to your KO2 and Wildpeaks. Too many people seem to have balance issues with Wildpeaks.
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Just a thought, but I would take them back to the tire shop and swap them for Toyo OC AT3's. Stock size E load is fairly light at 48 lbs compared to your KO2 and Wildpeaks. Too many people seem to have balance issues with Wildpeaks.
People have balance issues with lots of different tires, as I found out on this forum.

Lots of people who posted here love their Falkens:

Ready to move on from KO2's...but to what?
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People have balance issues with lots of different tires, as I found out on this forum.

Lots of people who posted here love their Falkens:

Ready to move on from KO2's...but to what?
At this point it's probably some other issue going on with your truck, but you can't eliminate tires as the source of the problem since so many others have had recent balance issues with Wildpeaks in particular (on this forum and others). If you switch to Toyos (or some other brand) and the problem persists, you'll at least know it's not the tires.
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Grocery hauling miles, LOL.

The new set of tires was road forced when installed on March 24. The steering wheel shook at highway speed. They road forced them again on April 8, this time moving two of them on the rim. Now the steering wheel shakes worse at highway speed.

The old set was road forced more times than I care to count.

So tell me again that all I need to do is go in and have the tires road forced.

I don't know your history, but this isn't my first vehicle, not even my first 4Runner. I've put many miles (and overseas km's) on a variety of vehicles I've owned or otherwise driven. I've never encountered this problem with any of the others. I'd never heard of "road force" before I owned this vehicle.
OK you need to redo the entire front end: upper and lower control arm bushings, ball joints, tie rod ends, pitman arm, sway bar bushings, replace brake rotors, then align it. I’m sure I missed something. If it still shakes, then dump the car because it’s a lemon.

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OK you need to redo the entire front end: upper and lower control arm bushings, ball joints, tie rod ends, pitman arm, sway bar bushings, replace brake rotors, then align it. Im sure I missed something. If it still shakes, then dump the car because its a lemon.

You forgot changing out the gearing... seriously. I have dealt with this issue through multiple tires and sizes. Re-geared about a month ago and no steering vibration at any speed at all - gone. Coincidence? Who knows, but I have seen countless posts on steering vibrations from every tire and every size and I'm convinced that 97% of these issues has nothing do to with tires..
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You forgot changing out the gearing... seriously. I have dealt with this issue through multiple tires and sizes. Re-geared about a month ago and no steering vibration at any speed at all - gone. Coincidence? Who knows, but I have seen countless posts on steering vibrations from every tire and every size and I'm convinced that 97% of these issues has nothing do to with tires..
Your solution is the first time I've heard of that.

I like the balance bead solution. There are many offerings in that product space. Cheap and definitely worth a try.

Given the miles we've put on our 4Runner and the number of tires and all the things we did to try and address this, only to have a good road force balancing correct it at a late stage in the vehicle's life, I would avoid throwing expensive parts at it I did all sorts of tests on the suspension and front end, thinking it was worn, but it was not. I've just come to the conclusion that these vehicles are hyper sensitive to out of round tires and the quality of today's tires is piss poor.
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People have balance issues with lots of different tires, as I found out on this forum.

Lots of people who posted here love their Falkens:

Ready to move on from KO2's...but to what?
Try one more thing before you start overhauling suspension like someone was suggesting...

Take it to a shop that can not only road force balance, but a shop that also uses an adapter plate. This performs a lug-centric balance rather than hub centric because toyota wheels are lug centric. Lastly, some hunter machines have a "Smart Weight" setting, which needs to be turned off.

My personal experience is this: road force was perfect and balance looked perfect but I got the shakes no matter what. Once the "smart weight" setting/function was turned off and wheels rebalanced, no more shakes. This has been done twice now and it works.
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BTW if you have an extra snowflake rim, I’ll take it. $50 and I’ll pick it up when we pass through Vegas on May 1st on our way down from Montana.

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I had a shimmy with my ko2, then I went to the ridge grappler and also had a shimmy. I broke the wheels loose and jacked the 4runner up. I tightened all 4 wheels down to 90ft pounds, off the ground, and lowered it down, drove it and the shimmy was gone. I had 50k on my ko2 so it was time to replace, but looking back I wish I had tried this method to see if that was the issue.
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