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Do you have some photos of the cut off beam against a wall? It looks good so far!
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08-13-2020, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by SnowYeti
Love the way they look but..
Looking forward to seeing them aimed and more thoughts and reviews. So hard to tell from a photo, but I feel my Morimoto LED high and low beam bulbs are just as good, if not better to the sides.
Granted 4R aftermarket is not as good as Jeep, but 10+ years of installed base seems like a great opportunity for other manufactures of headlights to jump into. JW Speaker with heating elements would part me with my money pretty fast.
I seriously doubt the 2021 Toyota update will be better than what I have now. And likely need upgraded bulbs to an already high, or very high, price.
Just bought my daughter a ‘20 Honda Civic Sport Touring hatchback with their LED headlights, wow!
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Great point. I am not sure why JW speaker is not in the market for Toyota.
I mean how hard is it to make a good headlight housing that provides a good beam pattern? I just drove a 2020 Audi A4 with adaptive LEDs! ow man. The brightest I have ever seen! They project very far down the road. Wide beam pattern.
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08-13-2020, 09:56 AM
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LED bulbs in halogen projector reflector bowls or halogen reflector housings are a terrible solution. LED lighting is very directional vs. the omnidirectional lighting coming from halogen and HID bulbs. So I would be really surprised if your current setup matched the performance of a headlight with proper LED projectors.
Sorry I'm a bit of a lighting nerd because I have diagnosed night vision blindness. So lighting is pretty critical for me. It's important that people have the right info. I agree on your point on OEM LED lighting getting really really good. We have a set on our BMW X3 and its fantastic and makes driving at night much easier.
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You are absolutely right, no argument. What I have is not ideal. I guess really my point was that despite the less than ideal solution I am running it seems like it is close to what I am seeing on the new headlights. When in fact the correct lens for LEDs should blow mine away. But honestly without a side by side test with the same camera nothing definitive can be concluded.
Plus let’s face it, it doesn’t take much to improve the stock output with any bulb type with higher output.
Would love to be convinced that these new headlights are worth it.
I think my priority right now are the rears. The stock running lights are not very bright either. I drive up into Wyoming in the winter and run into severe weather. I came up on another 4R pretty fast because the rear running lights where not very visible in the thick weather conditions. I installed Baja S2s in the rear with red lens to run as rear fogs after that. Thinking the newer Anzo with sequential turns, but that is another topic for another thread.
Just did some more research and found some as close as it is going to get head to head from Headlight Revolution
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Low 220 lux
Morimoto 2Stroke
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2014-2018 Toyota 4Runner LED Morimoto 2Stroke Bulbs - 2x Brighter LED Bulbs - YouTube
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NEW Gen 2 Morimoto XB Headlights! 2014 - 2020 4Runner | Headlight Revolution - YouTube
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08-13-2020, 11:17 AM
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Thanks for taking one for the team. They appear to be similar to the V1.
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08-13-2020, 01:04 PM
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Yeah I’ll try adjusting them and take it for another test. Right out of the box the beam was pointing lower than I expected. From all the pics of the gen1 , I do noticed that the gen2 light beam spreads out a little more. Is it better than my wife’s X5 led? Hell no! I’ll let you guys know how it goes after the adjustments.
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08-13-2020, 01:35 PM
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Do you have some photos of the cut off beam against a wall? It looks good so far!
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I tried in front of my garage but I live on a pretty steep hill. I’m trying to figure out where can I find a flat place with a wall without looking like I’m gonna rob the place. I try to figure something out.
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08-13-2020, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SnowYeti
Love the way they look but..
Looking forward to seeing them aimed and more thoughts and reviews. So hard to tell from a photo, but I feel my Morimoto LED high and low beam bulbs are just as good, if not better to the sides.
Still awful and most likely worse once properly aimed
Granted 4R aftermarket is not as good as Jeep, but 10+ years of installed base seems like a great opportunity for other manufactures of headlights to jump into. JW Speaker with heating elements would part me with my money pretty fast.
The big difference is that with the Jeep you are changing the whole housing and you are actually replacing it with a legal housing
I seriously doubt the 2021 Toyota update will be better than what I have now. And likely need upgraded bulbs to an already high, or very high, price.
The 2021s will most likely be far better than any of this aftermarket crap as it will meet the legal requirements. That said, in the big scheme of things, LED headlighting is in its infancy and there are very few first gen LED systems that are as good as legal HID systems they replace. Here, we skipped the HIDs entirely, so I'm not sure how good they will be, but they'll be better than any aftermarket LED
Just bought my daughter a ‘20 Honda Civic Sport Touring hatchback with their LED headlights, wow!
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On the Civic, be careful not to confuse "brighter" with "better". Honda/Acura isn't known for exceptionally good LED headlights - but here again, we are going from halogen directly to LED.
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08-13-2020, 03:01 PM
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I tried in front of my garage but I live on a pretty steep hill. I’m trying to figure out where can I find a flat place with a wall without looking like I’m gonna rob the place. I try to figure something out.
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Try a shopping center parking lot. There is usually a big flat wall with no doors and a mostly flat parking lot.
Take the pictures with front bumper about 25ft away from the wall. Then, stand with your back to the wall at about the level of a car seat (bring a tallish folding chair) and take two pictures - one from dead center and then step about 15 feet to your right (back still to the wall) and take two pictures - one straight ahead and one looking at the car.
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Originally Posted by amir_gh
Great point. I am not sure why JW speaker is not in the market for Toyota.
I mean how hard is it to make a good headlight housing that provides a good beam pattern? I just drove a 2020 Audi A4 with adaptive LEDs! ow man. The brightest I have ever seen! They project very far down the road. Wide beam pattern.
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Wrangler headlights are sealed beam, so you are basically making one big light bulb, rather than making a housing and a light source.
The Wrangler retrofits (depending on who makes them) are most likely legal - no non-sealed beam retrofits are legal - and for obvious good reason.
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08-15-2020, 02:52 PM
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Thanks for putting these up so quick for us. You can tell that the headlights definitely need to be aimed up a bit. However, it looks like the beam pattern is very similar to the V1 in terms of side coverage with a slight improvement. Bummer, was hoping these would knock it out of the park.
I still haven’t seen reliable beam shots of the Alpharex Nova series but it looks like both the Nova and the Morimotos have poorer lighting performance vs a stock projector with an HID bulb drop in. Looking forward to seeing how the new OEM headlights pan out
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TRDJon did a review of the Alpharex Luxx Series VS Pro Series - Toyota 4Runner
Alpharex Luxx Series VS Pro Series - Toyota 4Runner - YouTube
Gives you a good comparison beam shot of the Alpharex Luxx Series VS Pro Series . Would be nice to see them compared to the V2 morimotos
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08-15-2020, 03:15 PM
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I just drove a 2020 Audi A4 with adaptive LEDs! ow man. The brightest I have ever seen! They project very far down the road. Wide beam pattern.
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Just bought my daughter a ‘20 Honda Civic Sport Touring hatchback with their LED headlights, wow!
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I don’t know if you guys have ever been on the receiving end of those headlights, but they are extremely blinding, especially outside of the city on dark desert nights. And that’s in a lifted 4Runner, I feel bad for car drivers. I’m not sure how they even get approved as OEM equipment.
Brighter and wider does not equal better. Effectively lighting up your direction of travel is better. You don’t need to light up 3 miles down the road and +/- 60 degrees to the sides like you're driving in the middle of the day. People out here also think their LED rigid and Baja lights are running/headlights and I wish I could run them off the road.
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08-15-2020, 10:31 PM
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I don’t know if you guys have ever been on the receiving end of those headlights, but they are extremely blinding, especially outside of the city on dark desert nights. And that’s in a lifted 4Runner, I feel bad for car drivers. I’m not sure how they even get approved as OEM equipment.
Brighter and wider does not equal better. Effectively lighting up your direction of travel is better. You don’t need to light up 3 miles down the road and +/- 60 degrees to the sides like you're driving in the middle of the day. People out here also think their LED rigid and Baja lights are running/headlights and I wish I could run them off the road.
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Always blows me away how definitive people are on this forum in regards to products they have never used. I can’t speak for the Audi, but my daughters Civic has LEDs that are only offered on very few versions, Touring, Type R, etc. they ARE very good with a very sharp and low cut off. I can’t imagine them blinding anyone. Having a teen driver being able to see better is a good thing, for everyone. After owning two Acura’s and a couple Honda’s, they are the best yet, blow away the MDX I had.
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08-16-2020, 01:20 AM
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From the video, you can clearly see the Luxx series has the blind/dark spot on the sides. The same issue that everyone had with the Gen1 Morimoto; rightfully so. I feel the Gen2 addressed it, to an extent. Overall I was indifferent with the light output but after some adjustment, I'm good with keeping it.
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08-16-2020, 01:17 PM
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These aren’t the direct competitors to the Morimoto V2 headlights. I would say the Nova series headlight is the most similar. AlphaRex NOVA Series LED Headlights: Install + Lighting Comparisons (2014-2020 Toyota 4Runner) [4K] - YouTube
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From the video, you can clearly see the Luxx series has the blind/dark spot on the sides. The same issue that everyone had with the Gen1 Morimoto; rightfully so. I feel the Gen2 addressed it, to an extent. Overall I was indifferent with the light output but after some adjustment, I'm good with keeping it.
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If you get a chance could you find a dark area, hold the camera front top center of the steering wheel and snap a couple pics? It's helpful to do before and after but the ship sailed already.
Heres an example:
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Heres my stock H11 vs gen 1 morimoto
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