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Originally Posted by Photogr
I looked into chains last winter and recall reading that chains will damage 4Runners. My reccollection is they hit the break line, but I could be wrong. I would love to get a set, but was turned away because of that article.
Has anyone used them on a 5th Gen? How about with 285/70/17's? If so, what kind?
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Only put chains on a 4Runner’s rear wheels. Chains always slop a little at speed. In the front the chains could hit the brake lines.
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08-31-2020, 07:41 PM
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what I don't get is if the idea is to get clunkers off the road... the etest is a poor way to do it. Yearly safety would for sure get rid of clunkers. Back where I'm from (Ontario, Canada). A safety is mandatory for any change in ownership and it has to be from a ASE certified mechanic.
The real crappy part is that it is raining less and less in California, so the rain is not kill off these clunkers anymore.
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08-31-2020, 07:55 PM
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Only put chains on a 4Runner’s rear wheels. Chains always slop a little at speed. In the front the chains could hit the brake lines.
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If the front is chained, then expect to swap ends when braking if the rears lose traction, especially on ice. Given that the 4runner is RWD or 4wd, no need to chain the front before the rear.
If FWD, the drive wheels must be chained, so the fronts get chained, even if not optimal.
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09-04-2020, 12:28 PM
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Studded snows
I was just wondering (I'm from Jersey, no mountains and very little snow compared to you guys) but do any of you run studded snow tires? Here, we usually get more ice than snow, and they are an absolutely amazing advantage.
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09-04-2020, 12:33 PM
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Ultra conservative CHP. Do you blame them? Most Californians can’t even manage to drive safely in the rain.
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haha. It's funny because it's true.
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09-04-2020, 01:09 PM
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Food for thought - California's snowy roads really are slipperier than snowy roads in cold places. Warm snow or ice is a lot slipperier than cold snow and ice. Generally the warmer it is the slicker it is. So snow and ice just below freezing temps is the worst condition you can have for traction. And incidentally that happens in places like California more frequently than places like Montana - and is combined with a population who rarely ever experience snow and ice conditions. It's sort of a perfect storm for poor outcomes with inexperienced drivers, less capable vehicles, and the slipperiest road conditions all coming together.
http://www.iaeng.org/publication/WCE...p2381-2384.pdf
I've found the same to be true in Utah. The roads really are more slick than they are further north. And it rarely snows and stays below freezing temps for extended periods along main population center. So there's quite a few days each year with road temps right around freezing and a thin layer of snow/ice on them that only lasts for a few hours or maybe a day or two. Results are as you might expect. Lots of crashes every time.
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09-04-2020, 03:42 PM
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Food for thought - California's snowy roads really are slipperier than snowy roads in cold places. Warm snow or ice is a lot slipperier than cold snow and ice. Generally the warmer it is the slicker it is. So snow and ice just below freezing temps is the worst condition you can have for traction. And incidentally that happens in places like California more frequently than places like Montana - and is combined with a population who rarely ever experience snow and ice conditions. It's sort of a perfect storm for poor outcomes with inexperienced drivers, less capable vehicles, and the slipperiest road conditions all coming together.
http://www.iaeng.org/publication/WCE...p2381-2384.pdf
I've found the same to be true in Utah. The roads really are more slick than they are further north. And it rarely snows and stays below freezing temps for extended periods along main population center. So there's quite a few days each year with road temps right around freezing and a thin layer of snow/ice on them that only lasts for a few hours or maybe a day or two. Results are as you might expect. Lots of crashes every time.
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Another phenomenon in California especially is the deposition and buildup of oil, grease, and tire material on the road surfaces over the long dry season. When the winter season arrives the first few rains mix it up and bring it to the surface to create extremely slick roads. And it stays that way until enough rain falls to wash it off. Add that into the snow/ice/slush conditions you described above, and the maniac high speed drivers who haven’t seen wet roads for eight or more months. No wonder insurance costs so much.
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09-13-2020, 08:50 AM
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Please do your research before you start spreading Fake News. You assumed it was plastic?
I would suggest You look at these via the Pwag- Brenta-C 4x4 website.
Or go to the Etrailer.com/tire chains/toyota/4runner. website.
It gives a full detail of these chains and what they are made of.
You Must be referring to the colored chain. This is a titanium alloy.
These are not a cheap snow chain at $200 plus.
You got all your information from one photo?
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Yes, from looking a the photo your chains still suck. Right off the bat, they have minimal chaos crossing the trie tread and what ones they do are connected by chains which run in line with the tire. They have those connecting chains because there are so few crossing chains which have to be held linearly due to their length. It’s a design that intentionally minimizes the amount of cross bar chains used. If you’ve ever seen large equipment being used to move snow, the chains they use typically have cross bar chains every 6”.
Sorry that your ownership of these inferior chains blinds you to their reality, but they are cheap and they suck.
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09-13-2020, 08:52 AM
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what I don't get is if the idea is to get clunkers off the road... the etest is a poor way to do it. Yearly safety would for sure get rid of clunkers. Back where I'm from (Ontario, Canada). A safety is mandatory for any change in ownership and it has to be from a ASE certified mechanic.
The real crappy part is that it is raining less and less in California, so the rain is not kill off these clunkers anymore.
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Data does not support your claim that it is raining less and less in California.
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09-13-2020, 08:55 AM
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Last Thanksgiving, chains were required on all vehicles going to (and in) Big Bear. No exceptions. It does happen.
As others have noted, ice is the problem. I have had to chain up to go uphill due to ice. With 4wd, and snow-rated tires in great shape. Ice is a b!tch. Carry chains.
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We own a home in Big Bear Lake and they have always let us through with 4WD vehicles. The scary part is the lowlanders with cars full of kids and snow play toys who don’t know how to drive.
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09-13-2020, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Photogr
I looked into chains last winter and recall reading that chains will damage 4Runners. My reccollection is they hit the break line, but I could be wrong. I would love to get a set, but was turned away because of that article.
Has anyone used them on a 5th Gen? How about with 285/70/17's? If so, what kind?
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We have v-bar chains for the 2014, but so far have not needed them. Have installed them and they work fine with no damage, but these chains have the cam tighteners as opposed to rubber cords.
We have a home in Big Bear Lake, CA and a ranch in Stevensville, Montana, so plenty of snow driving experience.
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09-13-2020, 09:18 AM
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Not even close to a "5th gen" But I love tire chains for winter wheelin. The traction and confidence they add over a non chained tire is incredible.
I have these on my 92, I made them from old plow chains we had laying around. 1/2 the cross pieces are studded, 1/2 are v bar. They did awesome and completely changed how I winter wheel. Currently sourcing new parts to build a set closer resembling skidder chains.
I suggest getting a plain and simple set of chains, they dont have to be fancy, and practice putting them on well before you need them. The worst part about chaining up is lying in the slush to put them on. Keeping a small tarp in the chain bag makes for a dryier place to lie down.
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Nice job on building your own chains. Most of the snow removal equipment guys do the same.
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09-13-2020, 09:20 AM
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These are the chains that I would recommend:
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09-13-2020, 01:21 PM
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I was just wondering (I'm from Jersey, no mountains and very little snow compared to you guys) but do any of you run studded snow tires? Here, we usually get more ice than snow, and they are an absolutely amazing advantage.
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I run Studded Nokians on my 4runner in the Winter. Having had BFG ATs and now Nittos, the truck was very slippery on the highway in the snow. Good for driving slow in deep snow, but Ive had 3 RRs in the past that all handled 10fold better in the snow than the 4Runner. In less than 10 inches I think my wife Q7 with Blizzaks does great as well.
With the studded Nokians tho, the 4runner is a tank. And it will certainly handle the ice we get.
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09-14-2020, 12:21 PM
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For me it's not about whether CHP or Cal Trans will let me through. The only thing that matters to me is my family's safety. Whatever I can do to maximize that, I will do, including not driving sometimes.
So: Blizzaks get installed in November, and I always carry chains. If I never need the chains, that's great! That just means -- whether due to good luck or good decision-making (it's rare, but it happens) -- I didn't get into a bad enough situation.
I also carry --
- waterproof work gloves
- tarp to lay on the ground
- bag of kitty litter
- entrenching tool
- little snow shovel
- couple of mylar emergency blankets
- flashlights
- matches
- 1st aid kit
- car blanket or two
- battery booster pack
- water
- official Red Ryder, carbine action, 200-shot, range model air rifle, with a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time
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