03-16-2021, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by dandiBran
have you seen headlights on the 2018 4runners, any difference? i saw some LEDs i could swap into my doors, unsure if i want to buy them though, looking for something brighter so my daughter can see at night getting in & out
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2018's have halogens.
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03-16-2021, 07:30 PM
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I haven't been paying much attention to this for a few months.
So are the bulbs on these replaceable? Ie., are the lights user-serviceable? That's been my big sticking point when looking at something like the Alpharex Nova series. Love the lights, I'm just not sure I trust them to work for years. If Alpharex backed their stuff by like a 10-year, 100% warranty, I would probably have ordered those by now. 2 years seems low.
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If the Alpharex for a 4Runner are anything at all like the Alpharex for a Tacoma, they're junk. For the Tacoma, they've deviously substituted a ton of foreground light for any kind of distance illumination. I say "deviously" because this fools almost everyone into thinking they actually have more light. More foreground light just allows you to drive into that deer in the middle of the road at a higher speed.
If there's one thing I've learned about aftermarket lighting in my 45 years of experimenting with lighting upgrades, it's that almost all aftermarket stuff - particularly the inexpensive stuff - is junk. You do get what you pay for.
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03-16-2021, 07:34 PM
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i like the oem look. lol
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I have the OEM LED headlights. They're "acceptable." I had the OEM LED fogs. They were pathetic. They've been replaced with the Diode Dynamics SS3 Max Fogs in selective yellow. The difference is absolutely stunning.
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03-16-2021, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Too Stroked
I have the OEM LED headlights. They're "acceptable." I had the OEM LED fogs. They were pathetic. They've been replaced with the Diode Dynamics SS3 Max Fogs in selective yellow. The difference is absolutely stunning.
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I am sure those have great output but I don’t want to blind incoming traffic like I did before on my led drop in bulbs. The 2021 Oem led fogs are actually decent..
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03-16-2021, 11:53 PM
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I am sure those have great output but I don’t want to blind incoming traffic like I did before on my led drop in bulbs. The 2021 Oem led fogs are actually decent..
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Nothing wrong with going the OEM route if that's what you prefer. But the SS3 isn't just a generic pod light, they're SAE J583 compliant and 100% street legal for use as a fog light. Trust me, they're nothing at all like the Baja Designs squadrons that people have been jamming in their fog pockets and blinding everyone with.
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03-17-2021, 09:44 AM
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diode dynamics ss3 isnt just a replacement fog light - it is THE replacement fog light.
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03-17-2021, 01:05 PM
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diode dynamics ss3 isnt just a replacement fog light - it is THE replacement fog light.
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Sport, Pro, or Max ... which is recommended as a replacement fog light?
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03-17-2021, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainier42
Sport, Pro, or Max ... which is recommended as a replacement fog light?
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Max is the brightest usable light but I think the pros are good enough. It's what I chose
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03-17-2021, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainier42
Sport, Pro, or Max ... which is recommended as a replacement fog light?
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All of them are street legal as a replacement fog, and all of them are strong choices at their respective price points (and true bargains when they're on sale). In fact, the 3 of them are the top recommendations in the fog pod shootout thread here, besting other brands like Rigid, KC HiLites, and Baja Designs:
The LED SAE J583 Fog Pod & Fog Light Review | Tacoma World
The sport is a great value with excellent intensity and coverage. The pattern also meets the newest J583 F3 spec with its sharp focus and cutoff. They use about 15W.
The pro uses larger, more powerful chips (more than twice the power, 36W) which results in a brighter, but less focused pattern (the emitters are larger than the focal point of the optics, which loosens the pattern somewhat). They still meet the older J583 F spec, so they are still road legal. They also run warmly enough to melt snow, which has long been a failure point for LED pods.
The max SS3 uses new Osram Boost HX chips that have insane amounts of intensity, but with the smaller chip footprint like the sport LEDs. So their intensity is greater than the pro but with the focus and cutoff of the sports. The chips themselves are rated at 20W each (80W), which would be insane- but the heatsink capacity of the lights limits the pods to about 38W. They too will melt snow, and meet the older J583 F spec.
Personally I find the white lamps to be a touch too blue, so I prefer the yellow ones for fog use. For my driving lights (street legal auxiliary high beams) in the grill, I use the SS3 driving pattern. For a warmer 4000K white, I used the yellow lights and swapped in clear optics. Everything on the front of the truck is street legal (the roof lights are off road only).
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03-17-2021, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Axix23
I am sure those have great output but I don’t want to blind incoming traffic like I did before on my led drop in bulbs. The 2021 Oem led fogs are actually decent..
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In addition to everything
@ mynameistory
has already correctly stated, I have the Max Selective Yellow fogs in my 4Runner and had them in my Tacoma. Mine are properly aimed and nobody flashes me. If you like to run with your fog lights on all the time, I'd recommend the Sports though.
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03-17-2021, 08:07 PM
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Sport, Pro, or Max ... which is recommended as a replacement fog light?
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Based on personal experience with the Pro and Max fogs in selective yellow, here's my thoughts.
The Sport is probably the biggest bang for the buck. It provides more than adequate lighting and properly aimed, won't bother anyone. If you run your fogs all the time, this is the one to get.
The Pro is more powerful, but has a slightly less well defined beam pattern - particularly the height of the horizontal beam. This shows up as more "up light" which gives somewhat more distance projection, but also may bother oncoming drivers occasionally - even when properly aimed.
The Max is stupid powerful, yet still street legal. The beam pattern is much tighter than the Pro and in fact looks a lot like the Sport pattern - just brighter. They're totally awesome, and ridiculously expensive. They also require the most careful aiming so as not to bother oncoming drivers.
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03-18-2021, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Too Stroked
If the Alpharex for a 4Runner are anything at all like the Alpharex for a Tacoma, they're junk. For the Tacoma, they've deviously substituted a ton of foreground light for any kind of distance illumination. I say "deviously" because this fools almost everyone into thinking they actually have more light. More foreground light just allows you to drive into that deer in the middle of the road at a higher speed.
If there's one thing I've learned about aftermarket lighting in my 45 years of experimenting with lighting upgrades, it's that almost all aftermarket stuff - particularly the inexpensive stuff - is junk. You do get what you pay for.
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There are just no good options, it seems, to better what's in the car. I did the halogen upgrade to the H9s and 9011s. The morimotos suck and fail. The alpharex apparently suck. Putting LED bulbs in suck. Putting HIDs in is apparently ok, except that they bounce all over the place and occasionally flicker.
It's amazing to me that no company can make a decent solution for this problem. Maybe the new Toyota units are the answer.
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03-18-2021, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by mynameistory
All of them are street legal as a replacement fog, and all of them are strong choices at their respective price points (and true bargains when they're on sale). In fact, the 3 of them are the top recommendations in the fog pod shootout thread here, besting other brands like Rigid, KC HiLites, and Baja Designs:
The LED SAE J583 Fog Pod & Fog Light Review | Tacoma World
The sport is a great value with excellent intensity and coverage. The pattern also meets the newest J583 F3 spec with its sharp focus and cutoff. They use about 15W.
The pro uses larger, more powerful chips (more than twice the power, 36W) which results in a brighter, but less focused pattern (the emitters are larger than the focal point of the optics, which loosens the pattern somewhat). They still meet the older J583 F spec, so they are still road legal. They also run warmly enough to melt snow, which has long been a failure point for LED pods.
The max SS3 uses new Osram Boost HX chips that have insane amounts of intensity, but with the smaller chip footprint like the sport LEDs. So their intensity is greater than the pro but with the focus and cutoff of the sports. The chips themselves are rated at 20W each (80W), which would be insane- but the heatsink capacity of the lights limits the pods to about 38W. They too will melt snow, and meet the older J583 F spec.
Personally I find the white lamps to be a touch too blue, so I prefer the yellow ones for fog use. For my driving lights (street legal auxiliary high beams) in the grill, I use the SS3 driving pattern. For a warmer 4000K white, I used the yellow lights and swapped in clear optics. Everything on the front of the truck is street legal (the roof lights are off road only).
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This is a great post
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03-18-2021, 02:18 PM
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2021 4Runner OEM LED Headlights/Lights Performance and Retrofit
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Originally Posted by david05111
There are just no good options, it seems, to better what's in the car. I did the halogen upgrade to the H9s and 9011s. The morimotos suck and fail. The alpharex apparently suck. Putting LED bulbs in suck. Putting HIDs in is apparently ok, except that they bounce all over the place and occasionally flicker.
It's amazing to me that no company can make a decent solution for this problem. Maybe the new Toyota units are the answer.
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One company does. Toyota.
Buy the OEM ‘21 lights when a plug&play harness comes out!
Edit: unless that’s what you meant by “There are just no good options it seems, to better what's in the car.”
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03-18-2021, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by david05111
There are just no good options, it seems, to better what's in the car. I did the halogen upgrade to the H9s and 9011s. The morimotos suck and fail. The alpharex apparently suck. Putting LED bulbs in suck. Putting HIDs in is apparently ok, except that they bounce all over the place and occasionally flicker.
It's amazing to me that no company can make a decent solution for this problem. Maybe the new Toyota units are the answer.
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I have tried 55w hids 4300k, 3 different companies of drop in led bulbs, and the 2021 oem headlights are the best so far to date....................
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