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I know there's a lot of posts in here, but wanted to add my $.02 as I was finally able to drive in conditions dark enough to give these a good go.

This conversion is incredibly worthwhile. I found a set of headlights in CT and drove out to grab them a couple weeks ago. Paid $400, which was a little more than I wanted to, but came off a new 4R with 5000 miles.

Removing the bumper was easy enough. The conversion harness listed in this thread is very well made.

I had an HID setup in my halogen housings, and I was happy with the output compared to the stock halogens. LED high beams were a huge bump too, or so I thought.

The LED lows are VASTLY superior to my previous setup. Super impressed with the beam spread, brightness, and etc. They even overpower the LED high beams I have (LASFIT), which was very surprising the other night.

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I know there's a lot of posts in here, but wanted to add my $.02 as I was finally able to drive in conditions dark enough to give these a good go.

This conversion is incredibly worthwhile. I found a set of headlights in CT and drove out to grab them a couple weeks ago. Paid $400, which was a little more than I wanted to, but came off a new 4R with 5000 miles.

Removing the bumper was easy enough. The conversion harness listed in this thread is very well made.

I had an HID setup in my halogen housings, and I was happy with the output compared to the stock halogens. LED high beams were a huge bump too, or so I thought.

The LED lows are VASTLY superior to my previous setup. Super impressed with the beam spread, brightness, and etc. They even overpower the LED high beams I have (LASFIT), which was very surprising the other night.

If you're on the fence, get off of it.
About what I paid after selling the halogen ones. Prices have dropped since and on average I see $200-500 range now. Do recommend the LED headlights, just be sure to adjust them properly.

Do recommend taping off a wall or garage door from about 20-25 ft with the halogen lights to measure the cutoffs. Once you've done that install the LED headlights and use that measurement to adjust the cutoff.
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I know there's a lot of posts in here, but wanted to add my $.02 as I was finally able to drive in conditions dark enough to give these a good go.

This conversion is incredibly worthwhile. I found a set of headlights in CT and drove out to grab them a couple weeks ago. Paid $400, which was a little more than I wanted to, but came off a new 4R with 5000 miles.

Removing the bumper was easy enough. The conversion harness listed in this thread is very well made.

I had an HID setup in my halogen housings, and I was happy with the output compared to the stock halogens. LED high beams were a huge bump too, or so I thought.

The LED lows are VASTLY superior to my previous setup. Super impressed with the beam spread, brightness, and etc. They even overpower the LED high beams I have (LASFIT), which was very surprising the other night.

If you're on the fence, get off of it.
Yes. I agree. I switched from Gen II Morimoto and I am very happy as well. The beam pattern is far better than Morimoto.

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So.. been through this thread and must say I am beyond overwhelmed so I'll just state my business here...

What I have: 2021 Venture with OEM LED lows, Halogen Highs/DRLs and LED Fogs.

What I want: LED Highs/DRLs.

Is there a simple bulb swap I can do that doesn't require harnesses or relays?
I have experience in modding bulbs to fit (ex: had to mod Sylvania 9005s by snipping one tab off to upgrade the Highs in my 2012 Ram) so I am no newbie to this methodology.. but I just need to know what LED bulbs to buy that will..
#1 - work in my OEM headlight assemblies
#2 - increase output and reach
#3 - won't damage my housings (I've read that putting LED bulbs in Halogen housings has/could cause problems?)
#4 - match the color of the OEM LED Lows (no more weak yellow!)

Thanks for any straight info and product links you can send my way.
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I'd wait for @mynameistory to come back with more info on the harness to drop in the full LED OEM lights. The LED bulb replacements all have their issues - DLR don't work, need adapters, etc.
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So.. been through this thread and must say I am beyond overwhelmed so I'll just state my business here...

What I have: 2021 Venture with OEM LED lows, Halogen Highs/DRLs and LED Fogs.

What I want: LED Highs/DRLs.

Is there a simple bulb swap I can do that doesn't require harnesses or relays?
I have experience in modding bulbs to fit (ex: had to mod Sylvania 9005s by snipping one tab off to upgrade the Highs in my 2012 Ram) so I am no newbie to this methodology.. but I just need to know what LED bulbs to buy that will..
#1 - work in my OEM headlight assemblies
#2 - increase output and reach
#3 - won't damage my housings (I've read that putting LED bulbs in Halogen housings has/could cause problems?)
#4 - match the color of the OEM LED Lows (no more weak yellow!)

Thanks for any straight info and product links you can send my way.
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I have the LASFIT LED bulbs in my high beams and have the module to help reduce flickering (they still flicker/pulse). This would really be the only way to match the color of the LED lows.

When I had my HIDs in they were awesome. Felt like light output was great, big boom of light forward, etc. Exactly what you'd want from your high beams.

Now that I have the LED lows I am still mostly happy, but they are definitely not as "impressive" as they were. The low beam cutoffs are visible through the high beams, and with the HIDs they definitely overpowered the light coming from the old halogen projectors. It's not "bad" enough that I would change out the high beams. I also don't have a ton of seat time in using the high beams.

I have zero signs of overheating/melting/etc. from this setup. They have a built-in fan and seem to do fine with cooling. There are quite a few options, but my suggestion is not to cheap out. Buy something quality.
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So.. been through this thread and must say I am beyond overwhelmed so I'll just state my business here...

What I have: 2021 Venture with OEM LED lows, Halogen Highs/DRLs and LED Fogs.

What I want: LED Highs/DRLs.

Is there a simple bulb swap I can do that doesn't require harnesses or relays?
I have experience in modding bulbs to fit (ex: had to mod Sylvania 9005s by snipping one tab off to upgrade the Highs in my 2012 Ram) so I am no newbie to this methodology.. but I just need to know what LED bulbs to buy that will..
#1 - work in my OEM headlight assemblies
#2 - increase output and reach
#3 - won't damage my housings (I've read that putting LED bulbs in Halogen housings has/could cause problems?)
#4 - match the color of the OEM LED Lows (no more weak yellow!)

Thanks for any straight info and product links you can send my way.
Here's looking to a brighter future! HA!
Honestly I'd keep everything about your headlights the way they are. The 21 low-beam only LED lights have the highest performing combination out of all the headlight assemblies. The LED projector low beam and halogen high-beam are the best options. The 22+ headlights with the bi-LED projectors have high-beams that are underwhelming, and the DRL reflector assembly has been altered slightly for more diffusion at the expense of intensity (since they are no longer used as high-beam reflectors).

The best upgrade you can do is to swap Sylvania/Osram 9011 HIR halogen bulbs in (a simple tab trim is all you need, as you may know about). Ensure on the packaging or bulb that they are the newer and better Korean made assemblies instead of the German ones.

If you insist on cooler colored LED lighting, you can look into the Xenon Depot kit, which do include dimming module for DRL use. I had these for a while but switched back to halogen for better performance. The newer trucks (22+) cannot use these because their DRLs are wired in series (and no longer use the reflector for high-beam duty anyway).

https://www.xenondepot.com/4runner-l...ams?quantity=1

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I'd wait for @mynameistory to come back with more info on the harness to drop in the full LED OEM lights. The LED bulb replacements all have their issues - DLR don't work, need adapters, etc.
I have the prototype harnesses in hand, just need some driveway time for install! Keep in mind that these will activate both the new high-beam (which uses the same projector as the low-beam, but with a mechanical shutter to allow more light out) as well as fully power the halogen reflector. So it will be a "quad" high-beam of sorts. Though since the new (22+) reflectors have altered patterns, they may not be a true legal high-beam.
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Honestly I'd keep everything about your headlights the way they are. The 21 low-beam only LED lights have the highest performing combination out of all the headlight assemblies. The LED projector low beam and halogen high-beam are the best options. The 22+ headlights with the bi-LED projectors have high-beams that are underwhelming, and the DRL reflector assembly has been altered slightly for more diffusion at the expense of intensity (since they are no longer used as high-beam reflectors).

The best upgrade you can do is to swap Sylvania/Osram 9011 HIR halogen bulbs in (a simple tab trim is all you need, as you may know about). Ensure on the packaging or bulb that they are the newer and better Korean made assemblies instead of the German ones.

If you insist on cooler colored LED lighting, you can look into the Xenon Depot kit, which do include dimming module for DRL use. I had these for a while but switched back to halogen for better performance. The newer trucks (22+) cannot use these because their DRLs are wired in series (and no longer use the reflector for high-beam duty anyway).

https://www.xenondepot.com/4runner-l...ams?quantity=1



I have the prototype harnesses in hand, just need some driveway time for install! Keep in mind that these will activate both the new high-beam (which uses the same projector as the low-beam, but with a mechanical shutter to allow more light out) as well as fully power the halogen reflector. So it will be a "quad" high-beam of sorts. Though since the new (22+) reflectors have altered patterns, they may not be a true legal high-beam.
Looking forward to seeing your review of the prototype harness. I'd love to actually have the high beam shutters function on my 2022 LED housings. The ability to have quad high beams sounds awesome!
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Looking forward to seeing your review of the prototype harness. I'd love to actually have the high beam shutters function on my 2022 LED housings. The ability to have quad high beams sounds awesome!
Right now I have a manual switch that controls the high-beam shutters. They do have a nice narrow burst of intensity just above the low-beam hotspot, but lack the general fill/flood of the halogen reflectors.

The new harnesses by Dave use a relay to isolate the shutters when the DRLs are activated (so that they aren't pinged by PWM voltage). Then when the low-beams are on, the shutter is free to activate when high-beams are selected. It should be a plug'n'play solution that won't require any additional wiring to have quad high-beam functionality.
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I have the prototype harnesses in hand, just need some driveway time for install! Keep in mind that these will activate both the new high-beam (which uses the same projector as the low-beam, but with a mechanical shutter to allow more light out) as well as fully power the halogen reflector. So it will be a "quad" high-beam of sorts. Though since the new (22+) reflectors have altered patterns, they may not be a true legal high-beam.
Is the "quad" a design choice or an implementation detail? All things considered, I'd rather not have the halogens get full power.
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Is the "quad" a design choice or an implementation detail? All things considered, I'd rather not have the halogens get full power.
It's not by choice. The layout for the 14-20 trucks (and 21 SR5/TRD-OR) is that the halogen DRL and high-beam functions can't be divorced easily. Since both functions use the same wiring and bulb, the main body ECU is what controls the output (PWM for DRL and full voltage for high-beam). If you want to retain halogen DRL without them also being used as high-beam, you will need to go digging into the truck further than I am comfortable with. Or, you might try to adapt your own DRL setup that is agnostic of the main headlight functions.

These adapters will merely use 5-pin relays to isolate the shutters from the high-beam circuit until the low-beams are turned on. Since the DRLs turn off with the headlights, the shutters won't be exposed to PWM voltage (which may damage them or shorten their useful life with high frequency flapping).

So they will only enable the projector shutters. They will not disable the present high-beam functions, those remain unchanged.
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Right now I have a manual switch that controls the high-beam shutters. They do have a nice narrow burst of intensity just above the low-beam hotspot, but lack the general fill/flood of the halogen reflectors.

The new harnesses by Dave use a relay to isolate the shutters when the DRLs are activated (so that they aren't pinged by PWM voltage). Then when the low-beams are on, the shutter is free to activate when high-beams are selected. It should be a plug'n'play solution that won't require any additional wiring to have quad high-beam functionality.
The new harness will bypass the manual switch, correct? I'm assuming the highs will function via the stalk on the steering column.
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It's not by choice. The layout for the 14-20 trucks (and 21 SR5/TRD-OR) is that the halogen DRL and high-beam functions can't be divorced easily. Since both functions use the same wiring and bulb, the main body ECU is what controls the output (PWM for DRL and full voltage for high-beam). If you want to retain halogen DRL without them also being used as high-beam, you will need to go digging into the truck further than I am comfortable with.
Thanks, makes sense. Cool solution.

Installing harnesses designed by fellow enthusiasts on the internet is about as far as I'm prepared to dig in on this one :-). The OEM LEDs are great and I have a bunch of light bars wired up when I actually need to see further ahead in the dark. I was mostly just curious (admiring) of the solution.
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The new harness will bypass the manual switch, correct? I'm assuming the highs will function via the stalk on the steering column.
Correct, it will require no wiring into the cabin whatsoever. The harnesses will plug directly into the low beam and high beam sockets, with a relay in between that needs to be attached to a bracket nearby.
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Honestly I'd keep everything about your headlights the way they are. The 21 low-beam only LED lights have the highest performing combination out of all the headlight assemblies. The LED projector low beam and halogen high-beam are the best options. The 22+ headlights with the bi-LED projectors have high-beams that are underwhelming, and the DRL reflector assembly has been altered slightly for more diffusion at the expense of intensity (since they are no longer used as high-beam reflectors).

The best upgrade you can do is to swap Sylvania/Osram 9011 HIR halogen bulbs in (a simple tab trim is all you need, as you may know about). Ensure on the packaging or bulb that they are the newer and better Korean made assemblies instead of the German ones.

If you insist on cooler colored LED lighting, you can look into the Xenon Depot kit, which do include dimming module for DRL use. I had these for a while but switched back to halogen for better performance. The newer trucks (22+) cannot use these because their DRLs are wired in series (and no longer use the reflector for high-beam duty anyway).

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Thanks for the insight. I've done some more reading and it seems as though I have the most coveted headlight assemblies available.. sounds like no one really likes the output from the Highs in the bi-LED assemblies and are trying to (or already have) performed a swap to my type of assemblies.

I also got to put in some mountain driving last night and the output really is pretty darn good. I can still see a color difference when I flip the Highs on, but it is insignificant when the throw is taken into account. I do wish I could force my Fogs to remain on when I engage my Highs (I did a wiring bypass/upgrade of sorts on my Ram to accomplish this.. I guess I need to try to find out if a similar technique is possible on my 4Runner).

All in all, the output of my halogen Highs with the LED Lows is better than my retrofitted 2016 LED projectors I put in my 2012 Ram.. so I suppose I shouldn't be complaining or demanding too much here. Ha!
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