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Old 10-21-2020, 05:57 PM #16
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There's a dyno of someone's vehicle that pointed out a slight increase in HP. But the biggest draw is that the same person picked up a few MPG's. +2.4 MPG is considerable for me being that I'm at 13 MPG. Even +1.3 MPG is a 10% increase in efficiency so from that standpoint, it makes sense.
If Toyota could get an improvement of over 10% in fuel economy by tuning the intake slightly... they would kill for that.
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I have a really hard time believing MPG increases on aftermarket equipment. You’d think that give how important MPG and CAFE standards are to manufacturers they’d pursue any means of getting cheap gains they could already.


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You have to take into consideration that Toyota is also looking at longevity and ease of maintenance. Highly restrictive/filtering elements generally translate into longer lasting engines.
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If Toyota could get an improvement of over 10% in fuel economy by tuning the intake slightly... they would kill for that.
You must have skipped the part where I'm at 13 MPG LOL.
Regardless, if Toyota had tweaked the tuning slightly, then the compromise would be realized elsewhere. There's always a trade-off when modifying any aspect of the vehicle.
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You must have skipped the part where I'm at 13 MPG LOL.
Regardless, if Toyota had tweaked the tuning slightly, then the compromise would be realized elsewhere. There's always a trade-off when modifying any aspect of the vehicle.
Um no... I got your 13... my statement still stands. Toyota would kill for a 10% improvement in mpg to meet cafe standards.
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You have to take into consideration that Toyota is also looking at longevity and ease of maintenance. Highly restrictive/filtering elements generally translate into longer lasting engines.
I think it's already been empirically demonstrated that the stock airbox flows more than the 4 liter air pump can consume.

So is the claim that panel filters in general are restrictive or just that the choice in filtration media is restrictive?
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You have to take into consideration that Toyota is also looking at longevity and ease of maintenance. Highly restrictive/filtering elements generally translate into longer lasting engines.
I think the primary inlet restriction is valve and timing, and throttle... more cold air is generally not a reliability impact by itself and you wouldn’t intentionally select a more restrictive air intake due to reliability unless it’s to keep FOD/water etc out.
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Why replace your stock CAI panel filter with another, virtually identical panel filter intake? Just saying you might want to explore other options.

Because without resonators, I have more room for plumbing valves on my passenger mounted air compressor... duh!

Seriously though, I was going to put my stock airbox and resonators back in when I did my snorkel and my plumbing didn't play nice with the resonator. Ended up keeping then trd box an just siliconed the drain hole and bolts
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Got details on what's needed?
I was thinking of waiting until black friday to snag a TRD intake.

Check this link for the breakdown: How-To-Guide (TRD CAI) Installation

Will be doing this on a 21'
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Because it says TRD.. duh....

I agree though, the panel filter was a big turn off for me. I love my huge cone filter in my AFE Momentum GT


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There's a dyno of someone's vehicle that pointed out a slight increase in HP. But the biggest draw is that the same person picked up a few MPG's. +2.4 MPG is considerable for me being that I'm at 13 MPG. Even +1.3 MPG is a 10% increase in efficiency so from that standpoint, it makes sense.
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Because without resonators, I have more room for plumbing valves on my passenger mounted air compressor... duh!

Seriously though, I was going to put my stock airbox and resonators back in when I did my snorkel and my plumbing didn't play nice with the resonator. Ended up keeping then trd box an just siliconed the drain hole and bolts
To clarify the point I was trying to make, which only @97BlackAckCL seemed to get....

There are better options than replacing your panel filter setup with another panel filter setup, I have the AFE because it uses a
BIG OL NASTY CONE filter.

As a consolation it pairs nicely with the TRD intake flow accelerator.
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If Toyota could get an improvement of over 10% in fuel economy by tuning the intake slightly... they would kill for that.
Naaaah. Those clowns have no idea what they are doing. Besides, the Oil Companies probably own the patents, just like They do for the 200-mpg carburetor, which they squashed 70 tears ago.

We are waaay ahead of Toyota.
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As a consolation it pairs nicely with the TRD intake flow accelerator.
LOL, yes it does! I thought I was the only one who combined both
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