10-23-2020, 05:04 PM
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What kit is this?
Does anyone know what kit this is? Is it any good?
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10-23-2020, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RedRunner15
Does anyone know what kit this is? Is it any good?
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"good" is a subjective term when it comes to suspension.
I have no clue who makes them but here's what I can say:
It looks like the kit you have shown is height adjustable. If the springs are typical 2.5" springs, then you can swap in whatever spring rate you'd like.
I see spacers intended for the rear springs - I'd avoid those and get taller springs if you want a lift.
In regards to the shock themselves, I don't know how they're valved which means it could be something custom and can't tell just from the exterior
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10-23-2020, 06:39 PM
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Looks like a Toytec lift to me. Depending on the year could be a variety of manufacturers
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10-23-2020, 11:07 PM
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Since they use metal ball joints for the mounts rather than the factory rubber donuts, it will ride very rough -- you won't have the cushion that the rubber provides. My guess if they are for serious racing applications where they don't care about ride.
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10-24-2020, 01:55 PM
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Thanks for your input. Someone is selling this kit and I wanted to get some input on it. I think I’ll pass on it.
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10-24-2020, 05:24 PM
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Those rear shocks, at the bottom in the photo on the red cap, should say the brand name right on there. I'd have guessed Toytec too
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10-24-2020, 06:10 PM
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I would have said Walker Evans - I think the more traditionally are red and silver but image they could be bought in black.
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10-24-2020, 09:10 PM
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Looks like toytec
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10-25-2020, 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by fkheath
Since they use metal ball joints for the mounts rather than the factory rubber donuts, it will ride very rough -- you won't have the cushion that the rubber provides. My guess if they are for serious racing applications where they don't care about ride.
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LOL...
I don't have rubber donuts, and my 4runenr rides fine
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10-25-2020, 02:10 AM
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The rear shocks seem to say Toytec.
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10-25-2020, 09:38 AM
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LOL...
I don't have rubber donuts, and my 4runenr rides fine
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same here, infact, mine riders BETTER than stock with the rubber bushings.
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10-25-2020, 03:04 PM
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I don't have rubber donuts, and my 4runenr rides fine
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I generally agree. However, I do think without the rubber bushing it will ride differently, especially if paired with a stiffer tire than stock or if you are changing suspension and tires at the same time. For me I noticed this when going from a Toytec setup to Radflo. It manifested itself for me by being a bit harsher going over small bumps like pot holes, manholes, larger seams in concrete etc. If you are looking for a plush ride similar to stock consider a shock/strut with the rubber bushing.
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10-26-2020, 04:18 PM
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I generally agree. However, I do think without the rubber bushing it will ride differently, especially if paired with a stiffer tire than stock or if you are changing suspension and tires at the same time. For me I noticed this when going from a Toytec setup to Radflo. It manifested itself for me by being a bit harsher going over small bumps like pot holes, manholes, larger seams in concrete etc. If you are looking for a plush ride similar to stock consider a shock/strut with the rubber bushing.
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Ride quality comes mainly from springs, shock design and shock tuning
Digressive vs Linear vs Progressive Pistons & Shock Valving | AccuTune Off-Road
Whether you have a oem style rubber bushing or heim joint etc shouldn't have much of an effect on ride quality.
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10-26-2020, 05:02 PM
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There's a good amount of vibration and small bump compliance you gain from the rubber bushings. Especially the small stuff like road cracks. It's all a tradeoff. With spherical bushings you get more direct control of the suspension from the valving instead of the bushings, but lose some softness. The same is true for swapping to poly bushings for example. It's also similar to changing wheel sizes. 20" wheels ride rougher than 17" wheels with the same diameter tire. And going up in tire size. So going to a 285 tire probably adds some cushion where you might have lost it in the bushings or shock eyes. It all works together.
In favor of those shocks - big valves in higher end shocks tend to have much larger fluid passages and allow you to tune them in such a way that can offer a more plush valve response to account for the more rigid mounting points.
My biggest issue with the spherical bearings on my junk is the 1-2 year life span. If I could choose - I'd rather have rubber. No question overall my fox factory series up front ride better all around than the stock setup. So long as I keep the height around 1.5-2". Higher and it starts degrading.
However if the price is right on those - they're probably a pretty good suspension setup.
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10-26-2020, 05:06 PM
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I'm not referring to the UCA bushing. I'm referring to the front lower shock mount where it connects to the LCA. In some manufacturers shocks there is a rubber or polyurethane bushing in others (Radflo as a for instance and other race style shocks.) there is not. It does not directly apply to ride quality as it's being presented in the Accutune link you provided. It simply adds a slightly stiffer thunk for lack of a better description on low speed bumps as I described.
I attached a couple images to illustrate. Forgive that they're kind of generic and the sizing
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