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Originally Posted by TrailRunnin14
I love how people comment on the side effects of a supercharger who don’t have one. Just because you can’t afford one doesn’t mean you should dog on it. Also the added power does not over power the brakes and steering capabilities. It makes the vehicle more enjoyable to drive.
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Agreed, I'd also like to see proof that relatability is compromised, not just opinion or conjecture. So the 4runner won't make it to 400k miles, and instead reduced to 200k miles, without a rebuild. Whoopty Doo.
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11-06-2020, 12:11 PM
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I would pull the trigger on the following and in this order:
1) 46k (not the 49k asking price) for the supercharged 2019 Pro - low miles and does have high dollar extras (if they are the ones you want)
2) New 2020/2021 Pro - Obviously will be new! You will know everything that has been done to it maintenance and otherwise from day one and will have factory upgrades over the 2019 (if that's important to you)
3) Used LC 200 around same price - It's my #3 because they hang onto value and to get one below 50k you would need to go back a few years and add some miles to get to your price point. (Depends if that matters to you)
This is just my thinking in which I would go about the situation, but everyone has different likes and different needs for vehicles.
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11-06-2020, 12:17 PM
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I would pull the trigger on the following and in this order:
1) 46k (not the 49k asking price) for the supercharged 2019 Pro - low miles and does have high dollar extras (if they are the ones you want)
2) New 2020/2021 Pro - Obviously will be new! You will know everything that has been done to it maintenance and otherwise from day one and will have factory upgrades from 2019 (if that's important to you)
3) Used LC 200 around same price - It's my #3 because they hang onto value and to get one below 50k you would need to go back a few years and add some miles to get to your price point. (Depends if that matters to you)
This is just my thinking in which I would go about the situation, but everyone has different likes and different needs for vehicles.
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I would probably move 3 up to position 1 here. You can find a comparable mile LX570 for the same price. Roughly similar power. But you get a lot of other stuff - like bigger heavier suspension and axles, 6 or 8 speed transmission depending on year, etc.
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11-06-2020, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TrailRunnin14
I love how people comment on the side effects of a supercharger who don’t have one. Just because you can’t afford one doesn’t mean you should dog on it. Also the added power does not over power the brakes and steering capabilities. It makes the vehicle more enjoyable to drive.
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When I want mine to go faster, I push the accelerator down farther.
I have not seen any empirical evidence of decreased longevity directly in relation to the T4R. How many of them are running around with 200 or 300K already theyvare supercharged? Probably not many. It's kind of a golden rule though that forced induction decreases longevity. Just by how much on a T4R is yet to be determined.
I'd take one, but I wouldn't pay extra for it. I kinda like mine the way it is.
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11-06-2020, 12:35 PM
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I would probably move 3 up to position 1 here. You can find a comparable mile LX570 for the same price. Roughly similar power. But you get a lot of other stuff - like bigger heavier suspension and axles, 6 or 8 speed transmission depending on year, etc.
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PM me your cell number if you would...I am calling you the next time I need a vehicle! I just looked up used Lexus LX570's and the 2019 models with 10,000 miles (which compares to the year and miles on the 2019 supercharged Pro) is around $75,000-$80,000. I was having to go to 40,000 or more miles and back to 2015-2016 to get me to $50k or below! That may not matter to the OP, but as you can tell from my list, I always stick to the newer vehicles as I like to know how they have been treated in the time prior to me owning it! With that said, not everyone is like that so I see both sides for sure!
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11-06-2020, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 4runnin4mylife
PM me your cell number if you would...I am calling you the next time I need a vehicle! I just looked up used Lexus LX570's and the 2019 models with 10,000 miles (which compares to the year and miles on the 2019 supercharged Pro) is around $75,000-$80,000. I was having to go to 40,000 or more miles and back to 2015-2016 to get me to $50k or below! That may not matter to the OP, but as you can tell from my list, I always stick to the newer vehicles as I like to know how they have been treated in the time prior to me owning it! With that said, not everyone is like that so I see both sides for sure!
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Prices have jumped recently on all used cars. So it's probably fair that you're looking pre-2016 at $50k in today's market.
I wouldn't have too much concern about miles or age - especially with a used LX570. They're mostly used as glorified minivans. I'd actually guess it'd be kinda hard to even find one that's been used offroad in a meaningful way if you tried. It's probably more likely that you'd find the 4lo actuator sticky from having never been used.
A very low mile used 4Runner with mods that was traded in throws up a lot more red flags to me than a 3 or 4 year old LX570 with 50k miles.
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11-06-2020, 01:30 PM
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I wouldn’t do it, we all know Superchargers will grenade the engine after 10k.
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I wouldn’t do it, we all know Superchargers will grenade the engine after 10k.
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While maybe exaggerating a bit the only thing I would consider getting with a SC is an older 5VZ-FE 3rd gen
50k for the "PRO" the OP's looking at, noway, so many other things, like mentioned a LX or an LC easily had for that price, and for one why did someone sell the PRO to begin with?
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11-06-2020, 03:52 PM
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I wouldn’t do it, we all know Superchargers will grenade the engine after 10k.
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All of that forced induction!
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11-06-2020, 07:03 PM
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I wouldn’t do it, we all know Superchargers will grenade the engine after 10k.
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That Pro still has 3k miles of life left. Better hurry!
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11-07-2020, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by TrailRunnin14
I love how people comment on the side effects of a supercharger who don’t have one. Just because you can’t afford one doesn’t mean you should dog on it. Also the added power does not over power the brakes and steering capabilities. It makes the vehicle more enjoyable to drive.
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Okay let's break down your logic:
a) You don't (can't) know until you experience. Yes, I'll be sure to reserve all judgement on crack until I start smokin’ that pipe. Right.
b) You know the income and net worth of every single 4runner owner and one can't afford a SC if one doesn't have one installed. Got it.
c) Reliability is not affected when you install a SC. Right, because the laws of physics don't apply to SCs or the 4runner.
Ok, here are the facts.
The 4runner (and all cars) have powertrain, suspension and brake components designed to operate within a specific range of power and torque. The stock engine output is 270HP, 278 lb-ft of torque, so all of these components are designed to withstand, at least, that amount of force. The stock suspension and braking systems are also designed to control and counter these stock outputs from a vehicle dynamics perspective.
Because the 4runner is generally very reliable in stock form, we can assume that most of these components are over-engineered and overbuilt, meaning they can handle more power and torque than the engine is capable of. How much more? That's the true question. It might be a lot, it might be just a little but you won't know unless you're the engineer who designed them. All these components form a "chain", and a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. You will eventually find out what that link is.
Even if every component can, by design, handle the added power and torque output of a SCd engine at full throttle, each component will wear faster. A SC will only DECREASE reliability and longevity. At a minimum, you're increasing the number of components, and by extension, potential failure modes. How much reliability is decreased and how much faster components will wear depends on:
- The quality of the components installed (SC kit)
- The competence of the mechanic that installed the components
- The engine/transmission tuning post installation
- How often the power and torque outputs of the engine exceeds it stock maximum outputs (how often you floor it)
- How durable the rest of the vehicle components are by design, as described above.
You can only control 1 variable, the gas pedal (which you probably won't be too gentle on if you're installing a SC). The rest is ultimately out of your control.
The decrease in reliability might be negligible, or it might be severe, but you will never know until something breaks. That might happen just around the corner of the dealership, or in the middle of nowhere in the desert, or even never. If the increase in power is worth that tradeoff to you, all the best. It's a free world, it's your money, knock your socks off. But the tradeoff is real, and inevitable. Pretending it’s not doesn't change the facts.
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Okay let's break down your logic:
a) You don't (can't) know until you experience. Yes, I'll be sure to reserve all judgement on crack until I start smokin’ that pipe. Right.
b) You know the income and net worth of every single 4runner owner and one can't afford a SC if one doesn't have one installed. Got it.
c) Reliability is not affected when you install a SC. Right, because the laws of physics don't apply to SCs or the 4runner.
Ok, here are the facts.
The 4runner (and all cars) have powertrain, suspension and brake components designed to operate within a specific range of power and torque. The stock engine output is 270HP, 278 lb-ft of torque, so all of these components are designed to withstand, at least, that amount of force. The stock suspension and braking systems are also designed to control and counter these stock outputs from a vehicle dynamics perspective.
Because the 4runner is generally very reliable in stock form, we can assume that most of these components are over-engineered and overbuilt, meaning they can handle more power and torque than the engine is capable of. How much more? That's the true question. It might be a lot, it might be just a little but you won't know unless you're the engineer who designed them. All these components form a "chain", and a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. You will eventually find out what that link is.
Even if every component can, by design, handle the added power and torque output of a SCd engine at full throttle, each component will wear faster. A SC will only DECREASE reliability and longevity. At a minimum, you're increasing the number of components, and by extension, potential failure modes. How much reliability is decreased and how much faster components will wear depends on:
- The quality of the components installed (SC kit)
- The competence of the mechanic that installed the components
- The engine/transmission tuning post installation
- How often the power and torque outputs of the engine exceeds it stock maximum outputs (how often you floor it)
- How durable the rest of the vehicle components are by design, as described above.
You can only control 1 variable, the gas pedal (which you probably won't be too gentle on if you're installing a SC). The rest is ultimately out of your control.
The decrease in reliability might be negligible, or it might be severe, but you will never know until something breaks. That might happen just around the corner of the dealership, or in the middle of nowhere in the desert, or even never. If the increase in power is worth that tradeoff to you, all the best. It's a free world, it's your money, knock your socks off. But the tradeoff is real, and inevitable. Pretending it’s not doesn't change the facts.
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Like all things in life, time will tell.
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It will, and reliability will most likely be excellent still for most people. I sincerely wish everyone a long, trouble free 4R ownership experience, SC or stock.
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A good condition 2017 Land Cruiser for that price would be in the 100k mile range. They run a long time, and I'd pick the Cruiser too, but the price for a low mile Cruiser will be a decent amount over $49k.
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While maybe exaggerating a bit the only thing I would consider getting with a SC is an older 3VZ-FE 3rd gen
50k for the "PRO" the OP's looking at, noway, so many other things, like mentioned a LX or an LC easily had for that price, and for one why did someone sell the PRO to begin with?
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I believe you're thinking of the 5VZ-FE.
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