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Old 12-15-2020, 01:03 AM #16
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With chains in front, but not rear, hitting the brakes can cause you to swap ends. The front wheels will bite and stop, the rear wheels won't.

With FWD, there is no better place for chains than the drive wheels, so that's where they go.

Fir 4WD or AWD, they belong in the rear.

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I was in a vehicle ONCE with these (photo below) on the front and chains in the rear.
They actually worked for that type of snow we were in.
(It was the "sticky" snow) I can't speak for the heavy wet, slushy, or powder.


I guess the idea is that snow sticks to snow better.
When they are snow covered, the traction is there.
You can emulate this with your own socks.
Try wool socks over a flipflop or something and you'll see how you can walk easier on certain types of snow.





Sort of off topic...

One year, I had about 11" of snow in my driveway, that is all uphill and has a hairpin turn. I few pals were behind me in their Jeep, 4R and a few other 4WD's all with dedicated snow tires on.
I was in my Disco 1 with Goodyear Triple Treads (Discontinued). I could not make it up. They tried and could not do it either.
I tried it in reverse, and while it was a little hairy, I backed all the way up.
The rest tried it in reverse and no dice.

These are very similar, but not exact.
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Wow, I never thought of this. Iím from Michigan, so I grew up with plenty of snow, salt and rusted cars, but now I live in the PNW. Iíll be heading across the cascades for Christmas in my AWD LE and I just bought some chains off Amazon in case Iím required to use them. I only bought 1 pair of Security Chain SZ441ís and was initially planning on putting them on the front if required. It sounds like I should put them only on my back wheels now though?

Iím hoping I donít need them this trip and can return them unopened. Iím installing a lift and larger tires in the spring, so the chains wonít fit anymore after that.
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Chains or Cables which one do you prefer and why? Thanks
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Wow, I never thought of this. Iím from Michigan, so I grew up with plenty of snow, salt and rusted cars, but now I live in the PNW. Iíll be heading across the cascades for Christmas in my AWD LE and I just bought some chains off Amazon in case Iím required to use them. I only bought 1 pair of Security Chain SZ441ís and was initially planning on putting them on the front if required. It sounds like I should put them only on my back wheels now though?

Iím hoping I donít need them this trip and can return them unopened. Iím installing a lift and larger tires in the spring, so the chains wonít fit anymore after that.
I mean, at least as per the manual it's rear-only
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I donít know the exact reason, but ...

In the old days, when my 4x4 trucks had solid front axles, it was my practice to chain up the front end. With no weight in the bed, trucks just got around better with the engine weight over chained up tires in front.

But, ever since I downsized to small trucks with a 1996 Chevy S-10 4x4, again with my 2002 Tacoma TRD and now my 2018 4Runner, chaining up in front is a no-no.

Note, all the afore mentioned vehicles have/had independent front ends, not solid axles.

My thinking, and I believe I learned that after buying the Chevy, was that if you loose a tire chain to the inside of the tire, you will do a lot of damage to boots, CV joints and the like. On a solid axle, the chains usually got hung up on the axle and stayed put and drug until you stopped and yanked them out and replaced.

Rubber adjusters are essential to keep your chains taught, as well as helping to pull the chains outward off the tire if they do come off. Always used rubber adjusters. When I was in the car parts business, youíd not believe the percentage of people who refused to pay a few bucks extra for them, having that ďit wonít happen to meĒ attitude.
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Chains. Inexpensive cables are junk and when I lived along the US395 corridor in the eastern Sierra Nevada the highways were littered with them.

If you want the lightweight advantage of a cable, I’d go with a hybrid cable and chain set.

I have a set of NAPA HD truck chains with cleats that have never been outside the box except once. I bought them in 2002 for my then brand new Tacoma TRD. I doubted I’d use them, but the Highway Patrol can and will stop and check you if there is a storm (the local CHP in Bishop seldom did if he knew you were local, but I’ve been stopped on I-80 over Donner).

When I bought my 4Runner, with a 1” larger tire diameter, the sticker on the case said they’d fit. I was skeptical so put one on in the driveway to check. They did. So I carry them mainly to say I have them when I travel to California to see family.
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I've got a 2020 4Runner and replaced tires with Falken WildPeak A/T3W in stock size, though they're naturally slightly larger in diameter.

Looking at the owner's manual, it states "Install tire chains on the rear tires only. Do not install tire chains on the front tires."

Yesterday I did a bit of mountain road driving, had somewhat basic chains on my rear tires (want to get better ones!) but not having them on my front tires felt... not so great. I ended up sliding sideway on a hill, which I firmly believe wouldn't have happened with chains on the front.

Anyone running chains on the front? Any precautions or things to note? I imagine it has to do with clearance issues in the front, but shouldn't the 4runner wheel well have "plenty" of space, especially compared to the compact/luxury crossovers that have almost none?
Everything I've seen says "no" to front chains. Things will break, and it won't be the chains.


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What I'm seeing recommended a lot of "quality" chains are vbar style chains.

My 2020 owners manual (attached) seems to show the link diameter shouldn't exceed 5mm, which unless I am mistaken is on the very small side?
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Chains. Inexpensive cables are junk and when I lived along the US395 corridor in the eastern Sierra Nevada the highways were littered with them.

If you want the lightweight advantage of a cable, Iíd go with a hybrid cable and chain set.

I have a set of NAPA HD truck chains with cleats that have never been outside the box except once. I bought them in 2002 for my then brand new Tacoma TRD. I doubted Iíd use them, but the Highway Patrol can and will stop and check you if there is a storm (the local CHP in Bishop seldom did if he knew you were local, but Iíve been stopped on I-80 over Donner).

When I bought my 4Runner, with a 1Ē larger tire diameter, the sticker on the case said theyíd fit. I was skeptical so put one on in the driveway to check. They did. So I carry them mainly to say I have them when I travel to California to see family.
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What I'm seeing recommended a lot of "quality" chains are vbar style chains.

My 2020 owners manual (attached) seems to show the link diameter shouldn't exceed 5mm, which unless I am mistaken is on the very small side?
Having written many technical documents for complex systems I realized that you need to do more than telling a user “do this” or “don’t do that”. They need to know why. You have to give them a decent understanding of what you’re trying to accomplish and they’ll comply. Otherwise you get callbacks from a customer who didn’t take it seriously, or thought they knew better, and did something wrong or in the wrong order and they damaged an expensive machine. Then you have to help them deal with a remedy.

So it drives me nuts when so many businesses do the absolute minimum required documentation. Toyota’s owner manual is a fine example. To help the owner understand and comply it needs one more sentence about why no chains on the front wheels. And one more on why the specific diameter of tire chain is required. I’m sure you all can think of several more. Like why the motor oil specified. Or the limitation of the 400W/100W inverter operation. Otherwise we all wonder, guess that it’s not a good reason, then design a hack to overcome it.

BTW, I’m guessing that specified tire chain diameter is so the chains stay flexible enough to be stretched and fit snuggly on the OEM tire size. So they’re not too high and won’t sling around too much.
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Skip the chains, just get yourself a set of these "winter tires" instead.
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