Originally Posted by Midnightxp

Funny I basically did the same thing. 2018 f150 with 3.5 ecoboost, had the dash warp replaced, shocks went out around 38k, dual panel sunroof would randomly rattle and randomly not open. Had the cam phaser start up rattle repaired and then while it was in the shop had the transmission fluid changed. Once I got it back it never seemed right and then I closed the sunroof and one side of it dropped down and one side stayed up. Smacked it a bunch of times and it finally fully closed. Got rid of it right before the powertrain warranty was up.

I couldn't find a pick up I had any faith in besides a tundra and just didn't want the poor fuel economy nor did I like the interior. Got the 4runner because my 2005 was pretty reliable, only had to get the rear axle seal fixed in the 120k miles I owned it. I can't say the 4runner is remotely close to being as nice in general as the f150 was but I trust it much more and am not sitting waiting to see what breaks next. Things that stand out as far as down grades between the two vehicles is of course power, room, auto on head lights, gas mileage, and the stereo is horrible in the 4runner. The head unit probable the worst thing in the 4runner. That said it drives very smoothly, and 5-10 years from now it will hopefully still be trouble free and worth a good amount of money.

Originally Posted by Desmoface

Ironically, there was a class action law-suit for the doors latches freezing on my old '15 F-150. When I first took it in, they said, "you're the only that has reported the issue," LOL. I guess they don't know about the internet, LOL. I read that there is also one in the works for the oil consumption issue.

Originally Posted by thennen

As I understand it, "the manual stick is a direct connection to the transfer case, but the action locking the front axle into 4wd is still electronically actuated" (quoted from elsewhere). Is this what you mean?

Originally Posted by Tuco S.

A better time to buy was 2019. I just priced the same model I bought in 2019 and it appears to be @ $3000 more, apparently thanks to all that safety junk, pushbutton start, etc etc.

Originally Posted by DougR

I think the price increased $3000 largely because the US Dollar has fallen 7.02% relative to the Japanese Yen since mid-2019.

A 2021 Limited MSRP is about 45,000. Let’s assume Toyota receives $40,000 when they sell that model to a US dealer … 7.02% of $40K is $2808, which is very close to the $3000 price increase you noted. Therefore, the 2021 price increase is not necessarily due to “safety junk”. The US dollar is worth 7% less relative to its value 2019.

The US Dollar is falling and will continue to fall thanks to Fed fiscal policy, so expect the price of Toyota vehicles and parts to increase.

Note, this calculation depends on my assumption that $40,000 is the net value Toyota receives for every 2021 Limited sold in the US. If my estimate is off, give me the correct figure and I'll update the numbers.

Originally Posted by Tuco S.

I seem to recall the price bump started with the 2020 model year. That's when they added Safety Sense and those other features I mentioned. Did all Toyota models and other Japanese imports increase proportionally during that time frame? I wouldn't know, just asking.

Originally Posted by Tuco S.

I seem to recall the price bump started with the 2020 model year. That's when they added Safety Sense and those other features I mentioned. Did all Toyota models and other Japanese imports increase proportionally during that time frame? I wouldn't know, just asking.

Originally Posted by LandCruiser

I just bought my kid a 2020 base model SR5 4x4 and told her it’s the last car I’m buying for her with my money, so she better make it last.

If she’s careful, I’m sure she will still be driving it in 10 years.

Originally Posted by Snowtrooper

As I was doing the initial test drive, we encountered a 3rd gen 4runner on the freeway. It dawned on us that our future kids may inherit the 2018 one day so I better make a mental note to document this lol. Thanks.

Originally Posted by -E5J-

I did the exact same thing in '02... drove that 4Runner for 14 years... never a problem.

Originally Posted by 054Runner1

Ok, so I am in the market for a new vehicle. Currently still driving my 4th Gen that I bought new in 2005. I for some reason remain hesitant to buy a new 4Runner. I think its partially the current styling that has remained since around 2010 but I can get over that. Moreso its the ancient Trans and Engine plus the fact that apparently they have added 500-600lbs to these things since I bought mine and based on numerous posts they are now extremely sluggish. I am also considering a Jeep JLU.

Im not really worried as much about gas mileage or roll over risk. I just want a vehicle that's not going to break down and require a ton of maintenance. Also, im concerned that im going to buy this one and in a year or so they are going to actually release the redesign. I don't have to have the "latest and greatest" but I also don't want my vehicle to look dated within a year of buying it like so many folks deal with when they buy a GM Chrysler or Ford product. I should also state that I like to keep my cars for 10 years because I like only 1 car payment so every 5 years my wife and I switch who gets a new one. This time its my turn.

So I guess what im saying is, convince me to buy a New 4Runner......