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Old 01-15-2021, 12:06 AM #76
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Do you really need convincing
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Oh and if ur like me, getting it now is not a bad thing before they throw in all the newest gadgets as basics
When I bought my 2019 Runner was so glad it did not have all the lane change dudads and crap. Just pure driving the old fashion way
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I’m picking up my 2021 TRDP this weekend. I too waffled at first about buying something that hasn’t been updated much in over a decade, when a redesign is not far off. But I need a car now, not in two years. And redesigns can cut both ways. For all we know, the 6th gen will have a smaller engine and look like a big Rav-4. I love the way the current design looks and will happily put 200,000 miles on it.


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I’m picking up my 2021 TRDP this weekend. I too waffled at first about buying something that hasn’t been updated much in over a decade, when a redesign is not far off. But I need a car now, not in two years. And redesigns can cut both ways. For all we know, the 6th gen will have a smaller engine and look like a big Rav-4. I love the way the current design looks and will happily put 200,000 miles on it.


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I picked mine up BECAUSE of the redesign.
No telling what they will do, and these are pretty much battle-tested whereas the new will have its bugs.
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250K miles on our 2014 SR5 with only routine maintenance, no major repairs. These vehicles totally suck.
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Quitter? DROVE = past tense!
I love the 3rd gen and till have mine.

I supercharged it and some more power mods.
The only thing to watch for is the "Strawberry milkshake" and bushings and such.
Yes indeed... it was time for a change! ...And un upgrade.
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I had a 2002 xterra that I modded and wheeled a bunch. In fact, that car is part of the reason I bought my 19 runner — simple, if old, reliable even if outdated and has a similar spirit, probably because the underpinnings are about the same age. Haha.
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I "upgraded" from a 4th gen to a 5th gen and almost regret it. I put upgrade in quotes for a reason. The changes from 4th to 5th gen are all under the skin. You don't see them. Sitting in the 5th gen is almost the same as sitting in the 4th gen. I feel like I've been in the same car for almost 20 years now. I'm ready for a change. Plus I hate that the 5th gen has a transfer case. The 4th gen had a center diff. I much prefer that. This change seems like a downgrade to me, a step backwards.

I am now considering a Defender. They have all the technology I want. Center and rear limited slips, the famed Land Rover "Terrain Response" system (multi-terrain select on steroids), adjustable air suspension with >11" clearance in the highest mode, yada yada yada, the list goes on.

The only thing holding me back is the poor reputation for reliability these things have. People who have them say it's worth it though, so who knows, maybe...
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I "upgraded" from a 4th gen to a 5th gen and almost regret it. I put upgrade in quotes for a reason. The changes from 4th to 5th gen are all under the skin. You don't see them. Sitting in the 5th gen is almost the same as sitting in the 4th gen. I feel like I've been in the same car for almost 20 years now. I'm ready for a change. Plus I hate that the 5th gen has a transfer case. The 4th gen had a center diff. I much prefer that. This change seems like a downgrade to me, a step backwards.

I am now considering a Defender. They have all the technology I want. Center and rear limited slips, the famed Land Rover "Terrain Response" system (multi-terrain select on steroids), adjustable air suspension with >11" clearance in the highest mode, yada yada yada, the list goes on.

The only thing holding me back is the poor reputation for reliability these things have. People who have them say it's worth it though, so who knows, maybe...
No disrespect, but did you not spend some time behind the wheel of a 5th gen runner before pulling the trigger?

I thought tried and true was one of the reasons someone would go from 4th to 5th gen. Hell, we have many people here who went from older 5th to newer 5th gen without any qualms.

Aside from Land Rover’s track record, what things have you specifically read about the new Defender that is cause for concern? I’m just curious since Toyota and LR folks seem to be cut from a different clothe, unless they’re just enthusiastic about the old school rigs.
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People do that?


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No disrespect, but did you not spend some time behind the wheel of a 5th gen runner before pulling the trigger?

I thought tried and true was one of the reasons someone would go from 4th to 5th gen. Hell, we have many people here who went from older 5th to newer 5th gen without any qualms.

Aside from Land Rover’s track record, what things have you specifically read about the new Defender that is cause for concern? I’m just curious since Toyota and LR folks seem to be cut from a different clothe, unless they’re just enthusiastic about the old school rigs.
Well, you're right, I did not spend any time at all behind the wheel of a 5th gen before I bought it. I didn't even test drive it. I went to the dealer, pointed to the one I wanted, then sat down and made the deal. Seriously.

You're also right about "tried and true." That's exactly why I did what I did. I don't regret that at all, I would have purchased it with or without a test drive.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with my 4Runner. It meets my needs, is more than capable of any off road task I will ask of it, and is reliable.

I'm just bored with it and ready for a change.

Getting a Defender would meet my desire for a change more than anything else (like capability). There's nothing else I would want to change to: Land Cruiser, Lexus, Wrangler, new Bronco, etc. They just don't do it for me.

The Defender is so new there aren't any long term reports yet, like say head gaskets at 50k. People don't have 50k on them yet. There are a lot of minor things, like the keyless entry doesn't work, the infotainment system has problems, stuff like that.

I should also mention I haven't test driven a Defender yet. I certainly will before I get one, be sure about that. I'm just waiting until I get vaccinated before I stop by my local dealer. I've done a lot of online research, watched a lot of YouTube videos, they all praise the Defender, but that's no substitute to getting up close and personal and taking an actual test drive.

Keeping my 4Runner is certainly a very viable option.
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If you're looking for a middle of the road, reliable and affordable SUV, then buy a 4Runner. It's nothing special, but it gets the jobs done. If this is what you are looking for, get one. Otherwise, if you need looks, comfort and new tech, go elsewhere.

For the record, I've owned 4Rs for over a decade. I'm just realistic about what they are and I'll drive mine until it stops running.
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I had a 2002 xterra that I modded and wheeled a bunch. In fact, that car is part of the reason I bought my 19 runner — simple, if old, reliable even if outdated and has a similar spirit, probably because the underpinnings are about the same age. Haha.

This is the exact same reason I chose the 4Runner. I totaled my 2012 Xterra and needed a replacement. No one else really makes a solid, simple, old school vehicle that will last. When you are 20 miles deep in the Kootenai NF, or trout fishing out in BFE Wyoming, even small glitches or problems become exaggerated. I have way more piece of mind in those scenarios in a 4Runner, than I would anything else. Another thing that sold me on the 4Runner is how well they hold their value. I know vehicles in general shouldn’t be looked at as investments, but I’m glad to know if I had to sell it, I would be able to get more of my money back out of it than I would have with anything else.


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There is absolutely nothing wrong with my 4Runner. It meets my needs, is more than capable of any off road task I will ask of it, and is reliable.

I'm just bored with it and ready for a change.

Keeping my 4Runner is certainly a very viable option.
I appreciate your response as I occasionally ponder the possibilities, especially when our 4runners have such a decent resale value.

A few arduous trips here and there and I realize it’s about what the truck does for me where it counts the most, as opposed to any of the bells and whistles I’ve grown accustomed to.

I guess boredom in itself a luxury; not having to worry about the vehicle is something I’ve learned to appreciate when many luxury brands have failed me in the past.
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Ugh....I can do without assignments from the interweb. Do your research, READ AND LEARN. New concept today, I know.
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