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Old 12-20-2020, 10:15 PM #16
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Les Schwab is not what it used to be. When Les was alive, they had decent prices and service. It's been 13 years since he passed, and it has been a steady decline. Of course it was recently sold to a California investment firm.
I will not deal with Les Schwab! Brought my horse trailer in to have the brakes replaced and cable connection replaced. They packed the wheel bearings and nothing else. When I went to replace the brake actuators, I found that they had left off a cotter pin on the left side and the nut had started backing out. The freakin' wheel was wobbly as hell.
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Am I the only one to notice that they quoted 1.5 hours install, but want to charge for 2 hours?

I would run away from that shop. they prey on people who don't do any research and sell cheap crap for high prices.
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Am I the only one to notice that they quoted 1.5 hours install, but want to charge for 2 hours?
Les Schwab’s total labor charge is expensive and the way they bill labor is confusing …

I think they are billing 1.5 hours per side, or 3 hours labor plus a strut assembly surcharge, so total labor is $363.98 + $115.98 = $479.96 which equals $160/hour.

A Phoenix off road performance shop gave me a 3 hour estimate at $90/hour to install 2 Bilstein 5100s on the front ... $270 total labor, which includes strut disassemble and reassemble. Therefore, Les Schwab's labor is higher by $70/hour.

Note, KYB SR4528 and SR4529 part numbers are assembled struts, no spring compressor needed, so why are they billing a strut assembly charge? It appears Les Schwab is billing for strut assemblies when they should be billing for front shocks.

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personally I wouldn't go with a KYB shocks & struts from Les Schwab, sure they are guaranteed for life, but they don't ride real nice. For that price you can probably get something with better ride quality. I have this set up on my 4th gen- its primarily drive by son, and he's on a budget. Schwab does handle other brands like Bilstein. And their prices on the alignment and labor are pretty good.
How do the KYBs ride? Too soft, or too stiff?
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How do the KYBs ride? Too soft, or too stiff?
Google "kyb struts 4runner forums". The hits are all 4th gen. Here are a few ...

Unhappy with new suspension | Toyota 4Runner Forum [4Runners.com]

Has anyone installed KYB Strut-Plus units?

KYB anyone???

Kyb strut plus installed

Shocks and struts recommendations? | Toyota 4Runner Forum [4Runners.com]

https://www.4runners.com/threads/qua...p-or-kyb.4013/

https://www.4runners.com/threads/new-shocks.9366/
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Talk with John at Auburn Off Road if you live around that area.
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Really appreciate all the feedback. I am in the Beaverton, OR area. Anyone know of a local shop they trust for suspension work?

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How do the KYBs ride? Too soft, or too stiff?
Too soft, blows thru the stroke and wallows like an Oldsmobile Delta 88 4door boat on a country road. On G outs - it bottoms out and the rebound is more of an uncontrolled bounce. The valving is too light for both compression and rebound.
Guaranteed for life but that doesn't really matter if if isn't up to the task.
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Really appreciate all the feedback. I am in the Beaverton, OR area. Anyone know of a local shop they trust for suspension work?

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I've had work done by Superior Offroad in Gresham- lift install & UCA with alignment $465 back in 2016.
4Wheel Parts right where 217 & Pacific Hwy meet there in Tigard. Had a ball joint and alignment work done.
Both places did the work I requested, no issues.
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Not sure if it's of interest, but I have OEM front struts and rear shocks off of a 2016 SR5 with about 40k miles. They've been sitting in my garage for almost a year after I upgraded. If you want them for the cost of shipping, they're yours. I'm in southern Utah. Same goes for anyone else that's interested.


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I've had work done by Superior Offroad in Gresham- lift install & UCA with alignment $465 back in 2016.
4Wheel Parts right where 217 & Pacific Hwy meet there in Tigard. Had a ball joint and alignment work done.
Both places did the work I requested, no issues.
Excellent. I work very close to the 4Wheel Parts in Tigard! I will check them out.
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All,

Thanks for all the information and advice. I definitely want to replace the entire system but wasn't sure what they were quoting me. As I said, the quote was in the envelope with my receipt.

I ended up swapping my 20" rims with another 17" set I had from a previous FJ. I got 265/70r-17 Open Range tires (60K mile warranty). They are much quieter than the original 20" tires from Toyota and the truck feels SO MUCH more stable on the road now. Not sure why, but I like it.

The ride doesn't seem bad at all, but I have only had the truck for 5 months, so I am not exactly sure what it's supposed to feel like. I was leaning towards Bilstein 5100's for a while now. I will inspect as suggested above and then determine if they need replacement.

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When you had 20s, what size tires did you have? I have 20s that are only 7" wide right now (came with the truck) but I am thinking of replacing the wheels with 9" wide 20s and seeing how big a tire I can put on the truck.
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Excellent. I work very close to the 4Wheel Parts in Tigard! I will check them out.
As always keep in mind LS may have been trying to up sell you on shocks when you may not even need them. I'd confirm the shocks/struct are actually leaking. Most don't all blow out at the same time and if they did you'd notice the poor ride quality.


Also I have my stock 16 suspension laying in my garage your welcome to them for the price of a 12 pack Black Butte Porter. These came off at 10k so good to go for many miles. I'm on the west side

Just an FYI - since on the subject of Les Schwab- Don't ever let them replace your calipers. The calipers from Schwab are junk, they are refurbished units (used) that will rust out in days, and not nearly on par with the $400 caliper from Toyota.
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When you had 20s, what size tires did you have? I have 20s that are only 7" wide right now (came with the truck) but I am thinking of replacing the wheels with 9" wide 20s and seeing how big a tire I can put on the truck.
7" seems pretty narrow! The stock 20's are 9.6" wide (245/60-20). The ride was fine, but I really like the current setup even better.

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As always keep in mind LS may have been trying to up sell you on shocks when you may not even need them. I'd confirm the shocks/struct are actually leaking. Most don't all blow out at the same time and if they did you'd notice the poor ride quality.


Also I have my stock 16 suspension laying in my garage your welcome to them for the price of a 12 pack Black Butte Porter. These came off at 10k so good to go for many miles. I'm on the west side

Just an FYI - since on the subject of Les Schwab- Don't ever let them replace your calipers. The calipers from Schwab are junk, they are refurbished units (used) that will rust out in days, and not nearly on par with the $400 caliper from Toyota.
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