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Tire Rotation - How to Do it
There are several ways to do tire rotation with the Bridgestone Duelers on my 2020 SR5 Premium.
Tire Rotation: How and Why to Rotate Your Tires | Bridgestone Tires
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiret...&affiliate=HM5
None of them are what Toyota has in the manual. Even the two examples don't seem to match.
I used the X-Pattern since the biting front edges of the tread blocks are reversed on both the front and rears when the rotation is done.
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I've been told that cross rotation can cause wandering behavior with more aggressive MTs and typical rule of thumb for anything but the gentlest street tires is swap front and back.
BTW side to side is of dubious use for performance cars, I've never had a Porsche dealer recommend it and those guys almost never turn down a chance to charge you for something.
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I have a 2016 and do front to back only.
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I've been told that cross rotation can cause wandering behavior with more aggressive MTs and typical rule of thumb for anything but the gentlest street tires is swap front and back.
BTW side to side is of dubious use for performance cars, I've never had a Porsche dealer recommend it and those guys almost never turn down a chance to charge you for something.
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I will see if there is wandering when I'm on the highway however that could be caused by many things.
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BTW side to side is of dubious use for performance cars, I've never had a Porsche dealer recommend it and those guys almost never turn down a chance to charge you for something.
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The Dueler is not a unidirectional tire as are many spots car tires.
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1. Follow the owners manual. I always believe that the engineers at the factor that designed and built the 4Runner know best.
2. Since all new Toyotas sold in the US comes with free maintenance for two years, just let the dealer do it. The schedule for tire rotations is every 5,000 miles.
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I have a 2016 and do front to back only.
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Mine is 2 yrs. older, but I do the same. That's what a lot of tire shops do. Not saying it's the best, but i'ts likely better than leaving tires on the same wheel for their life on the vehicle.
Do whatever blows your skirt up.
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With only 4 in rotation, I've always done the rearward cross regardless of drive wheels. Always tracked straight but then again never any super aggressive offroad tires either.
However on almost everything I've had since 1999 I have rotated 5; spare goes to right rear, rearward cross with left front going to spare.
Nice, even wear.
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BTW side to side is of dubious use for performance cars, I've never had a Porsche dealer recommend it and those guys almost never turn down a chance to charge you for something.
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Most performance cars (Porsche) have different size tires on the front verses the back, thus the only way possible to rotate them, if you rotate them at all, is side to side.
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Most performance cars (Porsche) have different size tires on the front verses the back, thus the only way possible to rotate them, if you rotate them at all, is side to side.
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Correct, these are asymmetric, but not directional (Scorpions).
Either way, was told that side to side doesn't benefit anything.
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Correct, these are asymmetric, but not directional (Scorpions).
Either way, was told that side to side doesn't benefit anything.
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Not unless you flip them on the rims, which you must do if they're unidirectional....
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I used the X-Pattern since the biting front edges of the tread blocks are reversed on both the front and rears when the rotation is done.
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Since most of the time our 4Runners are operating in RWD mode, the "biting edges" of the rear tires are to the rear of the vehicle due to acceleration and the biting edges of the front tires are to the front since the greatest forces are from braking. The biting edge will get rounded as it wears and the opposite side of the block will be sharper due to less wear forces. On the rear tires, the rotational leading ("biting") edge of the tread blocks will be rounded and the trailing edge will be sharp. On the front tires the rotational trailing edge will be rounded with the leading edge sharper.
So, by using only the X pattern, you are basically continuing to wear the blocks on the same sides with the rounded biting edge continuing to get worn vs. the front to back rotation that would alternate the biting edges of the tread blocks on each rotation. The front to rear part of the forward/rearward cross rotation patterns compensates for the condition I described and the cross part of the rotation pattern compensates for side-to-side differences in wear causes.
How much difference it makes... who knows?
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Since most of the time our 4Runners are operating in RWD mode, the "biting edges" of the rear tires are to the rear of the vehicle due to acceleration and the biting edges of the front tires are to the front since the greatest forces are from braking. The biting edge will get rounded as it wears and the opposite side of the block will be sharper due to less wear forces. On the rear tires, the rotational leading ("biting") edge of the tread blocks will be rounded and the trailing edge will be sharp. On the front tires the rotational trailing edge will be rounded with the leading edge sharper.
So, by using only the X pattern, you are basically continuing to wear the blocks on the same sides with the rounded biting edge continuing to get worn vs. the front to back rotation that would alternate the biting edges of the tread blocks on each rotation. The front to rear part of the forward/rearward cross rotation patterns compensates for the condition I described and the cross part of the rotation pattern compensates for side-to-side differences in wear causes.
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The biting edge of the front tires is the front of the tread block (braking and steering) When in 4WD the rear of the block is the biting edge.
The biting edge of the rear tires is the rear of the tread block (acceleration)
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The biting edge of the front tires is the front of the tread block (braking and steering) When in 4WD the rear of the block is the biting edge.
The biting edge of the rear tires is the rear of the tread block (acceleration)
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That's what I said but thanks for simplifying it. I get a bit too wordy sometimes. Regardless, using only the X rotation keeps the same edges getting worn whether on the front or rear. This is because you are turning what was the back of each rear tire to face forward when it goes to the opposite side front and vice versa for the fronts moving to the rears.
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I've always used the rearward cross.
That way each tire gets to ride in all corners before it returns to its original position.
This lets the tires recover from the front to back tire wear difference (middle of tire wear on rear and edge tire wear on front). Also, this lets each wheel ride in each corner with the different tendencies of each locations shocks, springs, etc.
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I always do the rearward cross rotation pattern on my SUV's, which are all Full Time 4WD (AWD) drivelines, not that it makes a difference.
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