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Old 01-14-2021, 06:02 PM #1
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Exclamation RATS! source for the OEM Toyota soy wires? Want to run a rat-proofing test.

I just want the OEM wire.
Not equivalent. The actual wire they use.

I can't find anything without a sensor attached.

I want to test a few products to see if they degrade the wires, and then leave them leave them in a rat-infested area to see what happens.

I can coat the "protected" wires with peanut butter and such to see if they stop at the peanut butter or continue.

This will obviously take time, and I am more concerned with the degradation of the wires, and not sure if there is a way I can speed it up.
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So basically, what I am thinking is say maybe 5 feet of wire.
Coat some sections fully, and let sit.
Others, pour some products into something like spray paint caps, and leave two ends sticking out, with the center section immersed in the products.

Can you picture that?


Of course this will be a long experiment.
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My whole engine harness was replaced. I'd send that but not sure what Toyota does with them.
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Don't wanna quote you. Reread your post.
(Not sure who lurks around these parts that may get offended)

I am looking to prevent what you went through with "off-the-shelf" products.
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Damn whore engine harness...
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I have had two cases of rodent chewing through the knock sensor wire this winter!! Not a mechanic, so cost big bucks! Have purchased the Rid-a-Rat blinking LED light. We’ll see.

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I have had two cases of rodent chewing through the knock sensor wire this winter!! Not a mechanic, so cost big bucks! Have purchased the Rid-a-Rat blinking LED light. We’ll see.

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I had to look it up.
Did you read the Amazon reviews?

Amazon.com: Customer reviews: Rid-a-Rat Packrat and Rodent Deterrent Device, Model RC-2
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Rodents have been chewing and eating wire coatings long before soy based formulas were used. They may not even always be hungry when they do it. It’s an instinctual habit to chew anything that has an edge or something small enough that they can get their mouths around. Rodent teeth keep growing their whole life so they have to gnaw to wear them down.

I’ve noticed that ranchers often leave the hoods of outdoor parked vehicles open to discourage rodents. They say it’s not so much the light but that rodents don’t like being exposed to predators.
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If you’re really serious about this, you’ll need to design a scientific test that others can repeat and verify your results.
Here’s some thoughts:
Get some pet store rats and cages. One caged rat is the control, supply it with plenty of food and keep it happy. Give it a block of wood to chew, some soy wire and some traditional plastic wire. See what it prefers.

Set up another caged rat but don’t feed it quite as much to see if hunger makes it go for the wires.

You may need to repeat this with several rats to get a big enough sample size to analyze.

Or you could just throw a bunch of wire around a dumpster and see what happens.
Good luck, let us know the results.

Anyone can test.
You just need access to a known rat/mouse.rodent infestation.
Where I work is perfect.

I am thinking of stapling the wires to a 2x3, and for each product, have one bare control, one coated with products, one coated with peanut butter, and one coated with product then in peanut butter to see if they stop.

Just depends on how much wire I get, but I may not have enough to do a degradation test to see if, say a product works, will it eat the sheathing itself. If it/they do/does, then it is worthless to spray.
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I was able to grab a section today. I put a sharpie marker next to it for scale. I dont think it will be more than $5-$10 to ship. Here is a pic so let me know if this will work.

I am interested in what you find out as we deal with this all the time. Let me know an address and I will try to get it out today.

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If you are able, I may need some more wire.
Two batches like the original if possible.
I am not 100% certain I will need them, but just planning ahead and throwing it out there.

I picked up a few more products that *may* require more wire for the degradation part which will be a LONG time...

I over-ordered and may do another rust test, this time documenting it weekly.
Up over $600 so far.
Bucket with rock salt & water, then some peroxide, vinegar & salt...

If any of you are Youtubers in the NY/NJ area, I can give you the rust test, explain what I did, you can do the presentation and have your crack at a few cents from the views.
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No. I left the dealer and drove straight to True Value & purchased. Put on immediately.

It has happened again. All the lights are on, no acceleration. I’m about to push it over a cliff. 4th Runner. 😡😡😡
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I just want the OEM wire.
Not equivalent. The actual wire they use.

I can't find anything without a sensor attached.

I want to test a few products to see if they degrade the wires, and then leave them leave them in a rat-infested area to see what happens.

I can coat the "protected" wires with peanut butter and such to see if they stop at the peanut butter or continue.

This will obviously take time, and I am more concerned with the degradation of the wires, and not sure if there is a way I can speed it up.
😁 You could mix some peppermint oil and cayenne powder in some fluid film. Seriously though, I've used fluid film on the jeep 6 yrs now with no degradation of the wiring or seals. Only has been 2 years for the Tundra. Petroleum based, depending on how much % based, will soften rubber and some insulation. Wd40 will swell alot of door seals. I know you don't care for FF, but its really not that bad to keep after.
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😁 You could mix some peppermint oil and cayenne powder in some fluid film. Seriously though, I've used fluid film on the jeep 6 yrs now with no degradation of the wiring or seals. Only has been 2 years for the Tundra. Petroleum based, depending on how much % based, will soften rubber and some insulation. Wd40 will swell alot of door seals. I know you don't care for FF, but its really not that bad to keep after.

It's not that I don't care for FF, it's just that it honestly sucks for rust in my applications. (Definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over expecting a different result)

But if it keeps rats away, I would have no problem recommending it for that application.
I am looking to make the wires unappealing to rats.




My FF view is that I do a lot of testing, and hate seeing people waste money on stuff that isn't all that great, when you can get much better for the same price.
The only part is, I am not a Youtuber and I don't do the pics thing when working on vehicles. It eats up too much time.
Hence why I won't use a product you basically must apply bi-annually.

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Let me clarify this a little better...
If products degrade the wires, it is useless to go on to leave them in a rat infested area coated with peanut butter.


You spray some stuff on that melts the sheathing, and basically you created your own "rat problem".
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