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Old 03-12-2021, 11:50 PM #46
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I would like the lower sleep system that flush with the wheel wells as well.


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Any possible functionality with only the left sleeping portion going down? Perhaps the ability to fold not only the sleeping portion forward but also horizontal as to allow the right back seat to stay upright?


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Same question but I want the sleeping portion on the right side. Figure a Fridge will be going into the rear of my 4Runner eventually.


Also have you taken this system off road?

Reason I ask is I had turn buckles on a Smittybuilt Vault Box. Those turn buckles SQUEAK like mad after a short drive down a bumpy road.
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Yeah, never mind those people that want the extra headroom for their sleeping platform or god forbid want their fridge to actually open without needing to add the weight and cost of a tilting slide. It's all vanity and OCD
Yeah, not all of us sleep in our trucks, some sleep in ground tents or RTTs. Even with a 12" drawer my fridge opens up fine without a tilt slide but you assume we all have the same setup blah blah blah
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I guess the only solution to this is to have an 8" and 10" option.
That would work
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Watching the video.
Here's the main problem with this system. If you want to mount a fridge on the main platform, you have to leave the sleeping board in the down (slid out) position.

That sliding mechanism on the sleeping platform prevents you from mounting anything on top of the storage area.

I like to use my 4Runner both for off roading / overlanding and carrying passengers. This system wont let me do both if I want a fridge.

Until that sleeping platform gets fixed. This is a no go for me.
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Really like the concept of these. Nice work To me these look substantially lighter in weight than all of the other kits I have seen. Do you have a number by any chance?

Also curious, how much are these dependent on having the full or partial s rear seats installed?
The weight of a full system (platform + sleeper + dual drawers w/beauty panels) is right at 100 pounds. We were trying to keep the weight down in the design of this system.

And not at all dependent on the 2nd-row seats! Those retain full functionality when installed, and can be removed if desired. The sleeper is self-supported and does not interact with the seats.
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Also have you taken this system off road?

Reason I ask is I had turn buckles on a Smittybuilt Vault Box. Those turn buckles SQUEAK like mad after a short drive down a bumpy road.
We've logged hundreds of off-road miles with the SS1 ssytem! From crawling to high speed dirt roads.

We've been able to avoid the squeak in a few ways:

Most importantly is the turnbuckles are angled in such a way that they lock each other in place when tightened, all counter-acting each other. As you tighten one it increases tension on the other. In other systems we've seen turnbuckles in a nearly vertical orientation, just trying to smash the system into the floor as hard a possible. You will inherently have movement and thus squeaks that way.

We also use a lock-nut on the turnbuckle, so once it's tightened you don't see it work it's way loose over time.

We are using all stainless throughout. It's possible that other systems are using zinc-coated steel, which can contribute to the squeak.

The system is incredibly secure to the vehicle. You can shake the vehicle by grabbing the platform and shaking it.
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That would work
The forum has spoken and we shall listen! haha. We will be working up the system that is level with the wheel arches, which will result in a drawer approximately 8" tall.

Once we have this worked up and prototyped i'll update this thread with some pics and dimensions.

Makes sense to me that based on personal use cases you might want more headroom OR more drawer space, we'd be happy to offer both heights!
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Watching the video.
Here's the main problem with this system. If you want to mount a fridge on the main platform, you have to leave the sleeping board in the down (slid out) position.

That sliding mechanism on the sleeping platform prevents you from mounting anything on top of the storage area.

I like to use my 4Runner both for off roading / overlanding and carrying passengers. This system wont let me do both if I want a fridge.

Until that sleeping platform gets fixed. This is a no go for me.
Fridges and sleepers are a tricky combination! Are you intending to run a fridge full time? If so it's possible we could work up a half-width sleeper option. You would 'lose' half the sleeping space with a fridge, so if we had a half width sleeper option, would that address your need?
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Fridges and sleepers are a tricky combination! Are you intending to run a fridge full time? If so it's possible we could work up a half-width sleeper option. You would 'lose' half the sleeping space with a fridge, so if we had a half width sleeper option, would that address your need?
A half sleeper system would work. I'd want the more roomier right hand side for the sleeper.
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A half sleeper system would work. I'd want the more roomier right hand side for the sleeper.
To add on some of my thoughts to this:

1. You could remove the sleeper panel when the fridge is in use. It comes out with two screws and takes about 60 seconds.
2. We have another customer that was working on a half-width sleeper so they could use a fridge up top AND keep the sleeper. Definitely possible and something you could DIY with the kit we supply if we haven't begun to offer something already.
3. Drawer fridge. One of my tasks for this year is to try out a drawer fridge. I created a gas-assist drop slide last year and used that for a while with my ARB 50 quart. It was nice, but the 50 qt was overkill for me about 95% of the time and was problematic for day-day usage on many occasions. The drawer fridges are smaller in capacity, but I think the dramatic improvement to daily utility will be a worthy tradeoff. That approach also allows you to put the things that MUST stay cool (meat/dairy) in the fridge with the things I want to stay cool (drinks) in a cooler located elsewhere.
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To add on some of my thoughts to this:

1. You could remove the sleeper panel when the fridge is in use. It comes out with two screws and takes about 60 seconds.
2. We have another customer that was working on a half-width sleeper so they could use a fridge up top AND keep the sleeper. Definitely possible and something you could DIY with the kit we supply if we haven't begun to offer something already.
3. Drawer fridge. One of my tasks for this year is to try out a drawer fridge. I created a gas-assist drop slide last year and used that for a while with my ARB 50 quart. It was nice, but the 50 qt was overkill for me about 95% of the time and was problematic for day-day usage on many occasions. The drawer fridges are smaller in capacity, but I think the dramatic improvement to daily utility will be a worthy tradeoff. That approach also allows you to put the things that MUST stay cool (meat/dairy) in the fridge with the things I want to stay cool (drinks) in a cooler located elsewhere.
A simple folding hinge would make more sense then unscrewing things.

Here we are 2 months later and no changes have been made.
Height is still the same and no change on the sleeper.

Also how about a price for the whole thing instead of the "a la carte" pricing?
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A simple folding hinge would make more sense then unscrewing things.

Here we are 2 months later and no changes have been made.
Height is still the same and no change on the sleeper.

Also how about a price for the whole thing instead of the "a la carte" pricing?
A folding hinge is actually what we use on other models so that's definitely an option, but we went with a slider on the 5th gen to remove the need for 2nd row support.

Pricing for a complete package definitely needs to be published, completely agreed there. I just took a few minutes and updated the site. Check it out:
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Can't argue with the lack of formal changes in the last couple months and trust me, we're more bummed about than you guys! We're aware and hustling to get that put together. We had a rush of orders recently that's kept us busy machining parts and packing orders instead of working on the shortened 4Runner offering. We have parts in hand, just need those extra couple hours to get it all together. The changes are minimal, but we want to build it up and test fit to ensure there's no gotcha lurking before we set it free into the marketplace.

Watch out for a group buy on a shortened version soon... ;)
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A folding hinge is actually what we use on other models so that's definitely an option, but we went with a slider on the 5th gen to remove the need for 2nd row support.

Pricing for a complete package definitely needs to be published, completely agreed there. I just took a few minutes and updated the site. Check it out:
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Can't argue with the lack of formal changes in the last couple months and trust me, we're more bummed about than you guys! We're aware and hustling to get that put together. We had a rush of orders recently that's kept us busy machining parts and packing orders instead of working on the shortened 4Runner offering. We have parts in hand, just need those extra couple hours to get it all together. The changes are minimal, but we want to build it up and test fit to ensure there's no gotcha lurking before we set it free into the marketplace.

Watch out for a group buy on a shortened version soon... ;)



Taking out the sleeping platform altogether, you're at $1649.99. I'm interested but always have to compare to the competition.

Front Runner $1447
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If you would throw in the sleeping panel at $1649.99, you'd be competitive.

Then again, both the Australian drawer systems are most likely made in China. Plus neither offer a lower height drawer system.

I know 1st hand that going grocery shopping with a high height drawer system is a PITA.
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Taking out the sleeping platform altogether, you're at $1649.99. I'm interested but always have to compare to the competition.

Front Runner $1447
FRONT RUNNER TOYOTA 4RUNNER (5TH GEN) DRAWER KIT Spirit of 1876

Dobsons $1189
Dobinsons Rear Dual Roller Drawer System for Toyota 4Runner 5th gen 20 Dobinsons Direct

If you would throw in the sleeping panel at $1649.99, you'd be competitive.

Then again, both the Australian drawer systems are most likely made in China. Plus neither offer a lower height drawer system.

I know 1st hand that going grocery shopping with a high height drawer system is a PITA.
It's good to benchmark against some other options. I haven't played with the FrontRunner system, nor the Dobinsons, but here's my quick response:

Frontrunner:
1. Sheet steel and basic plywood. We use stainless plate, stainless hardware, aluminum and top grade Baltic Birch. Our system is around 20 lbs lighter.
2. Drawer efficiency. We use 100% extension 36" lock in lock out ball bearing slides. The Front runner specs don't list anything on it, but the drawer is 32" deep and the slides don't appear to be more than 70% extension (which is common). 100% slides are expensive so most companies don't use them. We refuse to use anything except 100% extension lock in, lock out slides.
3. Wings on the Frontrunner are not hinged. They pop in and out with permanent bracketry extending into the wing area. I think the hinged access is a benefit on the SS1.
4. Since they don't seem to mention where it's made, I'm guessing China. The SS1 is 100% fabricated in the USA from components sourced in the USA and Canada.
5. Drawer Dividers aren't included and cost an additional $20 each. Ours are all included.
6. I'm not familiar with your linked site, but the Frontrunner site has that system at $1655. Toyota 4Runner (5th Gen) Drawer Kit - by Front Runner
7. They don't specify, but I think this is a freight shipment. SS1 ships via UPS.

Dobinsons:
1. Cheap sheet metal throughout.
2. 60-70% extension slides better suited for your kitchen utensil drawer.
3. HEAVY. I think this one was 175 lbs.
4. Install requires drilling through the floor.
5. Freight shipment.
6. I assume 100% made in China.
7. ARB has a commonly failing lock out tab. Since Dobinsons looks almost identical, I wonder if they have the same problem. Our lock out tabsare large tabs of steel - not plastic.

I think our system is priced low compared to other American competition. The closer competitors for me are Goose Gear and Trekboxx. Trekboxx makes amazing equipment. A dual drawer system is somewhere around $3500. Goose Gear uses surprisingly good looking plywood, but costs around $2500-$3000 I think. Those are more similar comparisons than the cheap mass-produced stuff, IMO. Those two companies offer great solutions, but I think our SS1 system is a better value for most folks.
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