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BSW - Black SideWall
RWL - Raised White Letters
What he is saying is possible. Jeep/Ram/Chrysler may have a certain spec of tire seeing as they come stock on the JL Rubicon, but that would be only in the 285/70R17. They also came in 265/70R17 I believe on some of the older JK special editions like the Big Bear. Which size you were looking at? The BFG KM they used to have on JK Rubicons were also Jeep specific in tread, compund, etc. Otherwise, FCA uses other tire brands on their vehicles (Falken, Goodyear, Bridgestone) and not much BFG. People seek out the Jeep ones because they are a C-Load, so that has been a good for most light SUV owners like us to have that in the market.
As long as the RWL version is the C-Load I'd go for that. Will you feel any real world difference? probably not.
I just put 265/70R17 Cs on mine and love them. Had KO2s on multiple vehicles now and have always been impressed. Great in snow, no rain issues, and offroad they are great. To me, they are one of the best tires on the market.
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At the time I visited the shop I was looking at 265/70R17 but wasn't set on the size or brand, just trying to decide what to get. I eventually went with something else.
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03-05-2021, 02:01 AM
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Is there any real world difference between the BSW KO2 vs. the RWL KO2?
I stopped at a local Discount Tire store a few months back to check out some different tires in person. The guy I spoke with said the KO2 BSW is an oem spec for Chrysler/Jeep/Ram. Apparently it has a different compound, and slightly different weight than the RWL KO2. He strongly recommended the RWL version...
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Yep. If you go to the page for the KO2, and choose the BSW option in the 265 70 R17 size, the page will show an "OE Designation" for Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep. This may show up for other sizes as well, I didn't try.
BFGoodrich All Terrain T/A KO2 | America's Tire
Furthermore, I noticed they have this "DT" version of the KO2. There are only a few size options available. However, it seems to only come with RWL. Also, it does NOT have the three-peak snow rating symbol.
I thought DT would stand for Discount Tire, but apparently it stands for "different tread"!
BFGoodrich All Terrain T/A KO2 DT | America's Tire
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03-06-2021, 07:21 PM
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Regarding the BFG KO2's and the RWL vs BSW......
The BSW (or the Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep) come with a lower speed rating (116 Q) vs the RWL (116 S).
The 116Q's are 52lbs for the C-load and are rated up to 100mph.
Th2 116S's are 58lbs for the C-load and are rated up to 112mph.
This is for 285/70/17 by the way.
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03-07-2021, 10:12 AM
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There’s a lot of great tires out there. I’ve had excellent results w two sets of KO2’s. I did experience a steering wheel shimmy but had them rebalanced and it went away.
With regular rotations, I got 65K miles out of my last set.
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03-07-2021, 11:40 PM
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Okay, so the route I took (sticking with a stock-ish tire size with a M/S AT tread, E rating) for similar use out west is the Cooper AT3 LT in 235/80/17. Yes, 235’s.
This tire stands nearly 32” tall (31.8), so only a skoosh taller than stock. Although an E ply tire, it only weighs 43lbs. I’m quick to air down off road (even if it’s just to smooth out washboards) day-to-day on the blacktop I keep them right around 55psi. Wear is pretty even. Steeps, rocks, and snow have all been a non issue. Haven’t ventured into serious mud yet.
I’m now over 2.5yrs and 15,000 miles on these treads with really zero gripes. Would buy again tomorrow in fact. They steer easy and roll like a dream. Coming off of Toyo 285/75/17 tires and stock Duelers before that, I felt like I was taking a bit of a chance, but now, I don’t miss those in the least. I dare say these pizza cutters have me more sure-footed and capable than ever, but readily airing down/up is key IMHO.
Anyway all that is to say Cooper’s 235/80/17 AT3 LT may be a win for the OP.
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03-08-2021, 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Old3Tow
Okay, so the route I took (sticking with a stock-ish tire size with a M/S AT tread, E rating) for similar use out west is the Cooper AT3 LT in 235/80/17. Yes, 235’s.
This tire stands nearly 32” tall (31.8), so only a skoosh taller than stock. Although an E ply tire, it only weighs 43lbs. I’m quick to air down off road (even if it’s just to smooth out washboards) day-to-day on the blacktop I keep them right around 55psi. Wear is pretty even. Steeps, rocks, and snow have all been a non issue. Haven’t ventured into serious mud yet.
I’m now over 2.5yrs and 15,000 miles on these treads with really zero gripes. Would buy again tomorrow in fact. They steer easy and roll like a dream. Coming off of Toyo 285/75/17 tires and stock Duelers before that, I felt like I was taking a bit of a chance, but now, I don’t miss those in the least. I dare say these pizza cutters have me more sure-footed and capable than ever, but readily airing down/up is key IMHO.
Anyway all that is to say Cooper’s 235/80/17 AT3 LT may be a win for the OP.
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Could you post a few pics of yours from the side and front? Really curious how these look on a 4R.
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03-08-2021, 10:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Old3Tow
Okay, so the route I took (sticking with a stock-ish tire size with a M/S AT tread, E rating) for similar use out west is the Cooper AT3 LT in 235/80/17. Yes, 235’s.
This tire stands nearly 32” tall (31.8), so only a skoosh taller than stock. Although an E ply tire, it only weighs 43lbs. I’m quick to air down off road (even if it’s just to smooth out washboards) day-to-day on the blacktop I keep them right around 55psi. Wear is pretty even. Steeps, rocks, and snow have all been a non issue. Haven’t ventured into serious mud yet.
I’m now over 2.5yrs and 15,000 miles on these treads with really zero gripes. Would buy again tomorrow in fact. They steer easy and roll like a dream. Coming off of Toyo 285/75/17 tires and stock Duelers before that, I felt like I was taking a bit of a chance, but now, I don’t miss those in the least. I dare say these pizza cutters have me more sure-footed and capable than ever, but readily airing down/up is key IMHO.
Anyway all that is to say Cooper’s 235/80/17 AT3 LT may be a win for the OP.
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wow lets see some pics then again the limited edition 4runners run a 235 so it wouldnt be too unusually skinny... correction they run 245
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03-08-2021, 12:22 PM
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Here you go:
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03-08-2021, 12:33 PM
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Right on! Those look fine to my eye, and I've always been a function over form kind of person anyway. As you stated these work well for you. I didn't even think to look at anything skinnier than a 255, so thanks for sharing!
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This functionality ain’t too shabby either. Just saying...
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I have the E rated Wildpeak at3's on my third gen. 3 tires are ok but one I can't get to completely balance. It's not bad but once that tire is rotated to the front it has a small amount of shimmy. I'm not sure I'd buy them again...
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03-11-2021, 02:01 AM
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My 265/70/17 wildpeaks are awful can’t be balanced discount tire ****ed up the install and and to have them re balanced again the next day. 6000 miles I return for a rotation and balance and when I get my 4Runner at 60-70 I fell like I’m in a paint shaker. Had to have them balanced at a small shop who said they were way off and that the tires were hard to balance. Had these tires for 7000 miles on. The tires this is sorry. Love the look but it’s not worth the time and money to get them lined out. Debating on pulling them off what a waste.
Psi’s anyone wants to buy a almost new set for 200 bucks I’m in east Texas
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03-11-2021, 07:37 AM
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Try increased tire pressures I had same issues as well many others with different brands the Toyota 4Runner is very sensitive and playing with psi got rid of my shimmy and I would always recommend the falken wildpeaks best all around tire for any truck
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03-11-2021, 10:14 AM
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Good thread, thanks. I'm also on 285 KO2s now and I'm not really happy with them. Balancing issues, just like many experienced and even a warranty issue with 1 of the tires that just could not be balanced -- required 15oz of weights.
The shop I'm working with did a great job trying to balance -- they used the adaptor plate and road force to get it right, and they did. It's just a pain to have to go through this every rotation because it seems that they need rebalanced at that time.
Frankly, I'm probably going to go with something more aggressive as I drive purely for leisure now that I work from home, and leisure usually involves wheeling. KM3s and Toyo MTs are on my short list.
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