03-05-2021, 12:35 PM
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03-05-2021, 12:35 PM
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Wrangler if you want limitless aftermarket and maximum offroad performance.
Runner if you want really good offroad performance but also want good on road characteristics.
Neither can tow, both are slow and neither have very good storage (maybe better in the Jeep).
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03-05-2021, 01:02 PM
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Neither can tow, both are slow and neither have very good storage (maybe better in the Jeep).
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The 4Runner has a 5000 lb towing capacity which is good for a typical camping trailer. I tow my ATV all over in the summer.
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03-05-2021, 01:03 PM
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The 4Runner has a 5000 lb towing capacity which is good for a typical camping trailer. I tow my ATV all over in the summer.
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That's nothing in the grand scheme.
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03-05-2021, 01:05 PM
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If you've ever owned a kitchen utensil that has one purpose, that's kinda like the jeep imo. Great for that one purpose, but not great in every other aspect... for my needs/wants, anyway. I couldn't swallow the resale also which nobody has mentioned yet.
I'd give the 4runner another chance. The chances of the same person coming across 2 lemons is incredibly, incredibly rare. What was wrong with it, if you don't mind me asking? For the sluggishness, I'd look into a pedal commander, sprint booster, or just jump straight into a re-gear.
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03-05-2021, 01:12 PM
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From your description, you should get the 4runner. The jeeps are just way too small to carry stuff. The 4runner is good all around. Each people have their unique needs and you should base it on what you need.
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Hi 4Runner enthusiasts!
I purchased a new 2021 Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro in lunar rock last October. Turns out, its a lemon and Toyota is buying it back. Now I need to decide between a JL Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon and a 4Runner (ORP or TRDP).
Has anyone owned both/or came from the wrangler platform?
I'll be getting a hard top and installing some sound deadening in the event I go the wrangler route.
4Runner Pros: Larger storage space, sliding down rear window (for the dogs), readily available, great aftermarket, capable off road, best looking SUV of all time, and more plush for a DD.
4Runner Cons: Dated tech and sluggish compared to the Jeep. I can't believe it doesn't even have blindspot! I'm not a fan of the stock suspension and will change it.
Wrangler Pros: More off road capable. Top and doors off. Better tech/features. Larger aftermarket.
Wrangler Cons: Cost. Its louder on the highway. Potential reliability issues (but I can't say I'm thrilled with Toyota at the moment).
Background info: Will be used as a DD on a 9 mile each way commute. Also used on the weekends for overlanding/camping. Not serious wheeling. Plan to do some minor mods like rock sliders, lights, bumper/winch, full spare, and possibly suspension on the T4R.
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03-05-2021, 01:26 PM
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If you're going to go Jeep try the Rubicon Diesel, it looks worth a gamble.
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03-05-2021, 01:29 PM
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If you're going to go Jeep try the Rubicon Diesel, it looks worth a gamble.
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I'm pretty vocal against the Fiat diesel. It just doesn't have the record of reliability that would be worth it, in my opinion. The added torque and fuel economy, to me, aren't significant enough for the added complexity of the diesel, not to mention cost. And again, this motor doesn't have a good history of reliability. Italian diesel....I'm not sold on it.
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03-05-2021, 01:53 PM
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If you've ever owned a kitchen utensil that has one purpose, that's kinda like the jeep imo. Great for that one purpose, but not great in every other aspect... for my needs/wants, anyway. I couldn't swallow the resale also which nobody has mentioned yet.
I'd give the 4runner another chance. The chances of the same person coming across 2 lemons is incredibly, incredibly rare. What was wrong with it, if you don't mind me asking? For the sluggishness, I'd look into a pedal commander, sprint booster, or just jump straight into a re-gear.
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Actually, his 'lemon' was a Tacoma. Like you, I'm interested in what made it a lemon.
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03-05-2021, 02:03 PM
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My 2010 4Runner has been stellar as far as reliability. It adds to the list of successful (well maintained) Toyota vehicles we have owned:
1994 ES300
1999 Avalon
2004 RX330
2010 4Runner
My first car was a Chevy S10 Blazer then I went sedan to the ES300. I then wanted to go SUV again ended up owning two Range Rovers and realized I have to go back to Toyota and that's when I bought the T4R.
That said, if the 4Runner did not exist today, with the vehicle interests and capabilities I seek now I would choose Jeep or recently, Bronco.
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03-05-2021, 02:06 PM
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Coworker bought a 4 door jeep.
He has kids in travel soccer, he got to the point where he was borrowing his parents Honda Accord for the road trips! That told me enough.
He's since bought a Subaru.
My 4runner is a road trip machine. It's no sports sedan on the highway but I can put down some comfy family fun miles.
My wife's Highlander, now that car can tame some highways for sure, but I remind her I can eat her lunch off road if the zombies come.
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03-05-2021, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TravelingTaco
Will be used as a DD on a 9 mile each way commute. Also used on the weekends for overlanding/camping. Not serious wheeling. Plan to do some minor mods like rock sliders, lights, bumper/winch, full spare, and possibly suspension on the T4R.
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You pretty much answered it yourself. For your intended use, 4R all day long.
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03-05-2021, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by the_fornicator
If you've ever owned a kitchen utensil that has one purpose, that's kinda like the jeep imo. Great for that one purpose, but not great in every other aspect... for my needs/wants, anyway. I couldn't swallow the resale also which nobody has mentioned yet.
I'd give the 4runner another chance. The chances of the same person coming across 2 lemons is incredibly, incredibly rare. What was wrong with it, if you don't mind me asking? For the sluggishness, I'd look into a pedal commander, sprint booster, or just jump straight into a re-gear.
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I don't mind you asking. It has an electrical issue they cannot fix. Started to have problems around 600 miles. It currently has 1200 on the odo and half of that has been spent on so many trips to the dealership. Its also been there for the last 2+ months straight. I love paying tacoma trd pro money to drive a corolla or rav4 as my loaner.
Regarding your suggestions to either get a pedal commander or regear is part of my issue with the 4runner. I don't want to have to buy a vehicle then immediately begin moding it for it to act properly. I would want to correct the nose dive (suspension), and I certainly don't want to regear a brand new vehicle and void my warranty. The tacoma has its fair share of issues too, and many regear that as well. Its seemingly a trend with Toyota design to have improper gearing from the factory.
Toyota could also have addressed these issues in the last decade haha.
Either way, I know the 4runner is a beast, super reliable (supposedly), and is a great all around vehicle. They are the reasons I'd even consider another Toyota.
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03-05-2021, 06:09 PM
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That's nothing in the grand scheme.
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Sure it is. It's 1500 pounds more than the Wrangler, right? Or maybe I'm missing something. Whether it's better or not, it does what he needs.
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03-05-2021, 06:33 PM
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Its seemingly a trend with Toyota design to have improper gearing from the factory.
Ever consider that Toyota (and others) has legal constraints related to corporate average fuel economy, driveability, etc., that might at least play a tiny part in their selections of gearing and other things? No automaker makes its vehicles simply to please the whims of its various owners. They have thousands of requirements for each and every vehicle. Sometimes they miss their target. Toyota is the best at hitting those targets, but they run the risk of irritating their most demanding buyers(us) when they do so.
If people place the same demands on all other manufacturers that they place on Toyotas, I think they will find that, overall, the others are worse. Excellent quality is expected from Toyota/Lexus. With many other manufacturers, it's an unexpected bonus.
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