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Rear sway removal - experiences?
Two questions, my friends.
1. Those of you that had rear sway removed, how were the road manners after? Any particular weirdness or wallow-y behavior?
2. How much wheel travel did you gain and did you have to extend the brake lines? I’ve a 2.5” lift in the rear.
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03-10-2021, 10:08 AM
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why not just get the extended lengths and an adjustable track bar. none of this will matter if you don't have LT shocks in the rear anyway
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03-10-2021, 10:15 AM
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i don't think its a good idea to remove the rear sway bars.. my rear sway bar endlinks were worn out. and i felt like i was about to get pushed into a wall in my daily driving.
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03-10-2021, 10:41 AM
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why not just get the extended lengths and an adjustable track bar. none of this will matter if you don't have LT shocks in the rear anyway
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I have extended travel Kings, if that matters. Not LT though. Wonder if I'd be shock limited in that case? I don't want to overextend the shock.
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03-10-2021, 10:44 AM
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i don't think its a good idea to remove the rear sway bars.. my rear sway bar endlinks were worn out. and i felt like i was about to get pushed into a wall in my daily driving.
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I ran without a rear sway on a lifted gen1 Xterra and it wasn't an issue, but each suspension design is different - thank you for the input. I don't want to give up road manners a whole lot.
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Originally Posted by ahtoxa11
Two questions, my friends.
1. Those of you that had rear sway removed, how were the road manners after? Any particular weirdness or wallow-y behavior?
2. How much wheel travel did you gain and did you have to extend the brake lines? I’ve a 2.5” lift in the rear.
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The sway bar is not what limits the downward travel; the shocks limit the downward travel.
It is not a good idea to remove the rear sway bar for it can cause weirdness in the handling.
The sway bar does limit the amount of "articulation" of the axle. Thus, it is best to get a 4Runner with the KDSS system for that will allow more articulation when off roading.
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03-10-2021, 12:39 PM
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I have extended travel Kings, if that matters. Not LT though. Wonder if I'd be shock limited in that case? I don't want to overextend the shock.
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The EXT's have the internal bushing removed, and only gives you around 1/2" of additional travel. Not enough to warrant a sway bar removal in my opinion. Like others have said, just get longer sway bar links to help get your sway bar parallel to your LCA. This will help you more than you think.
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Mine is 4th Gen V8 and removed rear sway bar last fall, I don't notice any handling difference on road, takes an exit ramp at a good clip and no noticeable sway or feeling of unstableness.
Can't speak for the travel off road.
I doubt I will reinstall, see no reason to at present.
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The EXT's have the internal bushing removed, and only gives you around 1/2" of additional travel. Not enough to warrant a sway bar removal in my opinion. Like others have said, just get longer sway bar links to help get your sway bar parallel to your LCA. This will help you more than you think.
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is that the best setting? parallel with the LCA? about to install your sway bar links soon.
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Originally Posted by MStudt
The EXT's have the internal bushing removed, and only gives you around 1/2" of additional travel. Not enough to warrant a sway bar removal in my opinion. Like others have said, just get longer sway bar links to help get your sway bar parallel to your LCA. This will help you more than you think.
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I've been talking about rear sway removal, not front. I have experience with removed front sway on another vehicle and handling sucked badly.
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is that the best setting? parallel with the LCA? about to install your sway bar links soon.
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Parallel or close to parallel with the LCA. A lot of people think the sway bar should be parallel with the ground, and that's not the case.
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I've been talking about rear sway removal, not front. I have experience with removed front sway on another vehicle and handling sucked badly.
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Removing a sway bar isn't always doom and gloom. Vehicles like Jeeps are a great example of where sway bars can be removed without much concern since they're smaller, lighter, and don't usually carry as much weight. When you get a 4700lb 4runner with extra weight that's a different story. A lot of that weight tends to sit higher, and that will cause body roll. The gains from removing a sway (front or rear) don't outweigh the negative in my opinion.
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Parallel or close to parallel with the LCA. A lot of people think the sway bar should be parallel with the ground, and that's not the case.
Removing a sway bar isn't always doom and gloom. Vehicles like Jeeps are a great example of where sway bars can be removed without much concern since they're smaller, lighter, and don't usually carry as much weight. When you get a 4700lb 4runner with extra weight that's a different story. A lot of that weight tends to sit higher, and that will cause body roll. The gains from removing a sway (front or rear) don't outweigh the negative in my opinion.
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thank you sir. i was going to make it parallel to the ground lol.
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Originally Posted by ahtoxa11
Two questions, my friends.
1. Those of you that had rear sway removed, how were the road manners after? Any particular weirdness or wallow-y behavior?
2. How much wheel travel did you gain and did you have to extend the brake lines? I’ve a 2.5” lift in the rear.
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I think you need to be realistic about your use case. Are you planning on doing really technical trails that will require max articulation? When I say technical I mean rock crawling because frankly the marginal benefit of no swaybars offroad isnt worth the trade off in pavement handling unless you're doing stuff like that.
I run with no front swaybar and it had a dramatic effect in on road handling. Ill be removing my rear swaybar soon as well because I like to play in the chunky stuff. In regards to the rear brake line. I think anyone lifting their rear over 2" should be extending their lines. The OEM ones are super short and they are real easy to change out.
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03-11-2021, 05:47 PM
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My opinion,
I've ran the following vehicles with no front sway bar during the years I owned them:
YJ jeep on 32's,
XJ on 32's,
Diesel Liberty on 31's,
08 JK 2door on 32's,
current 5th gen 4runner.
On all those I didn't find that removing the rear sway bar made much difference. Usually the rear sway bar is thin enough to allow it to twist under the load of the axle articulating. I'd leave it on.
I also found that removing the front on the Liberty and 4runner, (both IFS), made little improvement in articulation but seemed to smooth out the offroad ride so I'll leave them off.
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Had my front and rear off for years. Zero regrets.
I wouldn't recommend this unless you had large diameter shocks that were properly set up however. There is definitely more body roll without the sway bars, but it's a non-issue once you get used to it. The thing to remember is these trucks aren't race cars, make sure you don't try to drive it like one, and especially not if you have anything up on the roof.
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