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Thanks guys. I like the options y'all have outlined and am looking into them.
I mentioned that the build will be on a 2017 w/KDSS however I'm actually in the process of purchasing a truck. I just came across a great deal on a 2017 Trail Premium without KDSS. Given the issues some of you mentioned with doing a 3" lift w/KDSS, am I better off without it?
I'm pulling the trigger on one of the 4Runners tomorrow.
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Kdss has certain benefits and limitations, so it would be worth your time to figure out exactly how the system works, and preferably drive one with and one without before purchasing. I have it and like it very much. It will likely require some additional work to get it squared away after a lift, but nothing major.
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03-14-2021, 03:50 PM
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Ironman UCA has 4 degrees caster built-in, allows 33" tires easily, and uses the same kind of bushings and sealed ball joints as oem, which last a long time and are quiet and maintenance free. They're also fully rebuildable using oem parts that can be sourced at any Toyota dealer. You can always wait for their next sale or use a 5% off code for forum members: TLCA5OFF
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OEM ball joints are a non serviceable part. Toyota will tell you to replace the control arm once your ball joints go, which they do. Same would apply to the Ironman BJ's.
My criticism of ironman's uca's would also be that their bushings are non-greasable. Ask anyone who has had to cut out their control arms because of seized alignment cams/tubes on the oem bushings, and you'll get an ear full. The rubber bushings also do not have as long a service life as urathane bushings or the adjustability of heims.
If you want a low/no maintenance part that you just replace when it wears out, sure go get a set of ironman's. If you enjoy some DIY maintenance, and want a UCA that can basically be infinitely rebuilt, get anything else.
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03-14-2021, 05:14 PM
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OEM ball joints are a non serviceable part. Toyota will tell you to replace the control arm once your ball joints go, which they do. Same would apply to the Ironman BJ's.
My criticism of ironman's uca's would also be that their bushings are non-greasable. Ask anyone who has had to cut out their control arms because of seized alignment cams/tubes on the oem bushings, and you'll get an ear full. The rubber bushings also do not have as long a service life as urathane bushings or the adjustability of heims.
If you want a low/no maintenance part that you just replace when it wears out, sure go get a set of ironman's. If you enjoy some DIY maintenance, and want a UCA that can basically be infinitely rebuilt, get anything else.
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Cool story. You seem to know more about Ironman's product than they do. Ironman says they are fully rebuildable. The bushings and ball joints are a press fit, so to rebuild you'll have to take it to a shop if you don't have a heavy duty press. The oem bushings and ball joints seem to last a long time. I would think if they failed often there would be a lot of posts complaining about it.
By the way, just got this in an email. Ironman is having a 25% off sale site-wide through March 17 with code GREEN25.
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03-14-2021, 05:55 PM
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Cool story. You seem to know more about Ironman's product than they do. Ironman says they are fully rebuildable. The bushings and ball joints are a press fit, so to rebuild you'll have to take it to a shop if you don't have a heavy duty press. The oem bushings and ball joints seem to last a long time. I would think if they failed often there would be a lot of posts complaining about it.
By the way, just got this in an email. Ironman is having a 25% off sale site-wide through March 17 with code GREEN25.
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Find me a part number for an oem Toyota 4runner ball joint...... Its ok, I'll wait...... I'll even give you an official Toyota parts diagram and the link to a Toyota oem parts supplier.
Take your time......
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03-14-2021, 05:59 PM
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And also, this
..... And this (granted, these are lca bushings, but my point remains that bolts seize in the oem bushings)
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03-14-2021, 06:00 PM
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By the way, just got this in an email. Ironman is having a 25% off sale site-wide through March 17 with code GREEN25.
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Bruh you might've just saved me $700 and picked my lift for me. I'm strongly considering their stage 3 kit!
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03-16-2021, 08:49 PM
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Bruh you might've just saved me $700 and picked my lift for me. I'm strongly considering their stage 3 kit!
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Glad to help!
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03-16-2021, 09:00 PM
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Find me a part number for an oem Toyota 4runner ball joint...... Its ok, I'll wait...... I'll even give you an official Toyota parts diagram and the link to a Toyota oem parts supplier.
Take your time......
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Sorry, I just saw this. Have you been here waiting the whole time? Nice diagram by the way.
Replacement part numbers for Ironman UCA bushings and ball joints:
Ball Joints: K500018 (Moog); W0133-3601484-SNK (Sankei 555)
Bushings: 48632-60040 (OEM Toyota)
The Moog ball joint is greaseable, while the Sankei ball joint is sealed and non-greaseable, so it's a more comparable replacement to the OEM upper ball joint. These are replacement parts for FJ Cruisers. The 5th Gen 4Runner oem ball joints appear to be integral to the control arms and are not replaceable.
Hopefully this clears it up for anyone who was interested.
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03-17-2021, 10:16 PM
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I just bought the goods. I figure for $2K with the great reviews I've seen I should just pull the trigger. I would probably have missed that sale without your comment. <3
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03-17-2021, 10:32 PM
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Happy with ironman stage 2, it came out way higher then advertised 3" front and 2" back but I wont complain. I'd adjust the height of the front based on their recommendations / cars before you put it on the vehicle.
I got it when they were running some crazy discount at $1800, it was hard to pass up.
KDSS is up to you, it makes it super nice to handle on road due to no body lean even with a lift, and it relaxes under 12 mph giving you more articulation then stock sway arms. That being said, you don't get sway arm extensions, disconnects, long travel, etc.
If you're looking for a road trips and decent off roading, KDSS helps, if you're looking for long travel, rock crawler, don't waste the money.
Then again people usually just remove KDSS (you just unbolt the bars), and go long travel with a rocker bar in the back -- again lots of money here.
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03-18-2021, 10:38 PM
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Thanks for all the advice. I went with a 2016 Trail Premium with KDSS. Couldn't be happier.
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03-19-2021, 06:16 AM
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I bought a Dobinson kit and I’m very pleased with Spent less than $1700 for everything. They did have a promotion at the time... Good luck !
These are the part #
C59-300 front coils
GS59-574 front struts
Strut caps and assembly
DD59-527K diff drop kit
UCA59-002K UCA's with ball joints pressed in
C59-325 rear coils
GS59-705 rear shocks.
+ diff drop kit
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I mean it would be pretty crazy to upgrade your suspension and leave the stock bumps on there. Just saying we have some options 😉 5th Gen Bumps
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03-19-2021, 01:48 PM
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Quote:
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I bought a Dobinson kit and I’m very pleased with Spent less than $1700 for everything. They did have a promotion at the time... Good luck !
These are the part #
C59-300 front coils
GS59-574 front struts
Strut caps and assembly
DD59-527K diff drop kit
UCA59-002K UCA's with ball joints pressed in
C59-325 rear coils
GS59-705 rear shocks.
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Interesting combo! How much actual lift did you get in the front?
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03-19-2021, 02:30 PM
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-TTBOSS-4R210ALM - Toytec Aluma Series Boss Suspension System (10+ 4Runner) 2"-3" Lift with SPC UCA's around $2300.00 very comprehensive kit,
installed mine a few weeks ago
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