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03-23-2021, 04:06 PM
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Poll: LT E-load or P?
I'm struggling mightily with replacing my stock Dunlop tires with an E rated or P rated tire. Planning to get General Grabber ATX. There's no C load option.
My vehicle: 2018 TRDORP, fairly stock: stock suspension, no lift, haven't added a ton of weight
My usage:
1. Daily driver in San Diego
2. I'll do 3-6 longer trips per year (Sierra mountains in CA; desert in UT/AZ, mountains & valleys in WY/MT/ID) and then some runs out to play in the Anza-Borrego desert outside of San Diego
3. I'm not a hard-core rock crawler
4. I do spend a fair amount of time on unpaved roads
5. Recent offroad, as examples: White Rim Trail outside of Moab; Kofa National Wildlife Refuge--way back; national forest roads outside of Zion NP; national forest roads in Jackson Hole; various trails in Anza-Borrego Desert; White Pocket and other areas within Vermilion Cliffs NM in UT/AZ; various non-hard-core trails in Death Valley NP)
I pretty much always air down. Have been on the stock tires for almost 3 years / 45K miles and have not had a problem. Time to replace those and I'm trying to balance tire weight, MPG, ride, cost, and durability.
Go with the P (SL) or E????
Only difference on the Grabber ATX's been P (SL) and E is the sidewall, so far as I can tell.
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03-23-2021, 04:17 PM
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I have ATX P-rated mainly due to most driving in on sandy soils or the beach. They air down a hell of a lot better than E load tires.
If it was rocky, I would go with E.
It's all a tradeoff.
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03-23-2021, 04:34 PM
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Hmmm... my reply up two comments was a new post with attached poll, but looks like some admin combined the this post and that new poll post and buried the info that I wanted to go with the poll deep into this thread....
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03-23-2021, 06:38 PM
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I haven't lost any fuel economy since switching from oem tires to 255/80R17 Toyo OC A/T III (E load). It's both taller (33") and heavier (50 lb) than oem. They ride like I'm on pillows but the handling is much more controlled and stable than the oem tires, probably the stronger sidewalls.
If you frequently venture off road by yourself, I would go for better puncture resistance just to be safe. Toyo makes an E load in oem size at 48 lbs. Great tire.
BF Goodrich KO2 is available in C load 265/70R17. I think Cooper Discoverer has a C load in this size as well.
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03-25-2021, 10:01 AM
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I went with KO2s because of the 3 ply sidewall and being a C-load. The Generals are at a great price point, but I have had great experiences with KO2s and definitely would have been dissapointed in going with the Generals for the $200 price difference. KO2s also look cooler because Smiles per Gallon is important
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03-25-2021, 01:24 PM
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OP, the 285/70/17 fits just fine in the spare area. I have my KO2s in that size mounted up with no issues. It's a wider tire than stock so it hangs down a little lower, but it's not evident nor a hinderance, IMO.
P/SL vs E? For me, the decision was load C, which is the middle ground. Es are too much for the 4runner when it comes to street driving -- they will transmit small bumps and cracks in the road more than C and especially P-rated tires.
So consider other tires that come in C load in the size you want. To me, most AT tires are pretty close in how they perform given the same load rating comparison. The differences aren't that huge, I think. So, it comes down to the looks of the tire and load rating for most people. If I HAD to choose the between P and E, I'd probably go E. I don't daily drive much, so durability offroad would take priority. If I did drive a lot more, I'd probably stick with P and ensure my spare was well-maintained in case there was an issue on the trail.
This is how I ended up with Load C KO2s in 285/70 flavor. They look good and aren't too stiff, although they are stiffer than P/SL so you will feel more NVH with them.
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03-25-2021, 02:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro367
I went with KO2s because of the 3 ply sidewall and being a C-load. The Generals are at a great price point, but I have had great experiences with KO2s and definitely would have been disappointed in going with the Generals for the $200 price difference. KO2s also look cooler because Smiles per Gallon is important
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I'm pretty sure the C load KO2 has a 2-ply sidewall. The E load has a 3-ply sidewall for sure.
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03-25-2021, 03:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuco S.
I'm pretty sure the C load KO2 has a 2-ply sidewall. The E load has a 3-ply sidewall for sure.
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Well look at that. You're right. Thought they all had the TriGard sidewall.
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03-25-2021, 06:03 PM
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I have 285 E rated K02, ride seems fine to me but want to get C next time for less weight.
And as previously mentioned, 285(at least K02) fit fine in spare tire spot.
OP, the extra clearance is nice in Anza Borrego with 285 but I understand not wanting to lug around the extra weight/lower MPG.
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03-25-2021, 06:16 PM
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Quote:
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And as previously mentioned, 285(at least K02) fit fine in spare tire spot.
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wow, it is a lot tighter then I expected.It is flush against the trailer hitch. Maybe the chain pulley pulls it flush to it?
These are actually used 285 KO2 and K02 supposedly run small for 285.
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03-29-2021, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jhmoore
I'm struggling mightily with replacing my stock Dunlop tires with an E rated or P rated tire. Planning to get General Grabber ATX. There's no C load option.
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I believe General makes their AT/X 265/70 r17 in C load.
I found it here on Tire Rack: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes
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03-29-2021, 11:21 PM
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They only sell stock size in SL (which they apparently don’t like being called “P”) and E.
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03-30-2021, 12:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 91foxbody
They only sell stock size in SL (which they apparently don’t like being called “P”) and E.
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Their website lists a C load range tire in stock size, I think? Not sure if I'm missing something.
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03-30-2021, 01:20 AM
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Tech Help Needed: General Grabber ATX on 2018 TRDORP
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Originally Posted by nickjo
Their website lists a C load range tire in stock size, I think? Not sure if I'm missing something.
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I can’t find that, and only see SL/E rating here.
https://generaltire.com/sites/defaul...r_v2_Print.pdf
I’ll be damned, I just found the C rated tire on TR. It must be brand new. Just bought SL in stock size 2 months ago, son of a *****!
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03-30-2021, 02:39 AM
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A day or 2 off road by yourself? Definitely go with anything but P or SL. You're just asking for trouble with a P rated tire.
I went from stock 265P up to 275 E's and they are just fine.
Although I know they are heavier, so for the next set I buy will be 285 C range.
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