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Old 03-19-2021, 01:08 PM #31
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I just replaced my 6 year old RAV4 Panasonic battery with one from Costco.
With the Topdon battery tester, the old one tested at 43% health (Bad-replace). It continued to start the car without issues but I was concerned about stranding my GF. For the hell of it I tested the brand new one before use: Health: 100% (Good) 88% charge. I threw it on a battery maintainer overnight.
As I expected, the RAV4 does the same as the 4R, it dies right after starting for the first time.
That looks like a good tool to add to my collection. Which Topdon model is that?
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Mine battery lasted a little bit over 7 years.
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I noticed that too when I installed my new battery, you know why it does that?
A lot of newer cars do this. Itís due to the slow build-up of gunk in the throttle body that the ECU compensate for as it learns how to maintain the proper engine idle. The compensation value is stored in volatile memory. When the battery is disconnected that data is lost.
I have a fairly new 4Runner and Iíve never had that stalling problem, probably the TB is pretty clean.
A really good explanation was provided by @BlackWorksInc in this post:
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It’s a Topdon BT100. I got it on sale for $45.
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My TB is clean, just did it recently.
I agree it probably has to do with learned data stored in the VRAM, but I think it shuts off first time as part of a test routine.
I’m surprised you said it’s never happened to you, what’s the longest you’ve gone with the battery disconnected?
I can see TB position sensor data on the ScanGauge, wonder what normal is.
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As previously stated, there are only a few battery manufacturers in the US. I’ve been buying standard starter batteries from Costco for many years and have had great luck with their pro-rating policy. Replace before failure.

Currently the Costco batteries are Interstate. Interstate does not manufacture, they are a distributor of batteries made by Johnson Controls, Exide, and Brookfield Business Partners, snd others. I’m not sure how Brookfield factors into this. But I’ve read articles that said Johnson Controls used to supply about 65% of the Interstate stock, but recently they are not and Exide is producing most.

The Costco website today lists a standard flooded Interstate 24F for $89.99. Three year warranty. And an Interstate AGM for $159.99, but temporarily out of stock.
My brother is an engineer at Interstate. I think what you said is correct. (He's a process engineer for logistics - like you said, they don't manufacture inhouse).

What's funny here is that Interstate also is the supplier for North America Toyota parts. So the battery you buy at the dealer is the same one you'll get at costco. Just a different sticker and a likely bigger markup. They've been pushing a promo deal through Toyota and Honda to push them to test customer batteries and upsell them. So it's no surprise dealers are pushing new batteries along with air filters now.

Incidentally - my Panasonic OEM battery lasted about 4 years and I thought it was dead, but had another issue where the wireless relay for my winch control was slowly draining the battery because I left it energized by accident. So if I didn't drive for a few weeks it would be dead. I replaced it, but this past week the battery in our RX350 crapped out. That car is so hands-off that you don't know it's gone until it wont even crank and only has 11.5 volts. I assume it has some sort of voltage sensor in the start circuit. It never hard starts. Just start, start, start, then zero crank. So ... the OEM panasonic was still sitting around, ran it though a repair cycle on my battery charger, it tested good and is now back in the RX for probably another few years. It's now almost 7 years old.

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Itís a Topdon BT100. I got it on sale for $45.
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My TB is clean, just did it recently.
I agree it probably has to do with learned data stored in the VRAM, but I think it shuts off first time as part of a test routine.
Iím surprised you said itís never happened to you, whatís the longest youíve gone with the battery disconnected?
I can see TB position sensor data on the ScanGauge, wonder what normal is.
Yeah, thereís probably some proprietary self test and initialization at first start that weíll never figure out. I donít know why mine never has stalled yet. Iíve had my battery disconnected for 3 days at a time 7 or 8 times while installing the Old Red auxiliary meter, Anytime front and rear cameras, various lighting mods.
Whatís kind of a pain is that the emissions readiness drive scenario gets reset and it can take weeks of driving to stumble upon it. Unless you deliberately try to execute it in a low traffic area before getting a smog test.

For Subarus, at least the older ones, itís recommended after battery replacement that you let them idle for about 10 minutes while the ECU hunts and tries out different settings. The idle is really low, chugging and pulsing and almost dying. It sounds terrible. I just wind up driving it for a while but at every stop sign it stumbles and wheezes. You gotta keep keep it alive with the pedal so it doesnít stall in traffic. After a little while all is well again.
At least our 4Runners donít do that.
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My brother is an engineer at Interstate. I think what you said is correct. (He's a process engineer for logistics - like you said, they don't manufacture inhouse).

What's funny here is that Interstate also is the supplier for North America Toyota parts. So the battery you buy at the dealer is the same one you'll get at costco. Just a different sticker and a likely bigger markup. They've been pushing a promo deal through Toyota and Honda to push them to test customer batteries and upsell them. So it's no surprise dealers are pushing new batteries along with air filters now.

Incidentally - my Panasonic OEM battery lasted about 4 years and I thought it was dead, but had another issue where the wireless relay for my winch control was slowly draining the battery because I left it energized by accident. So if I didn't drive for a few weeks it would be dead. I replaced it, but this past week the battery in our RX350 crapped out. That car is so hands-off that you don't know it's gone until it wont even crank and only has 11.5 volts. I assume it has some sort of voltage sensor in the start circuit. It never hard starts. Just start, start, start, then zero crank. So ... the OEM panasonic was still sitting around, ran it though a repair cycle on my battery charger, it tested good and is now back in the RX for probably another few years. It's now almost 7 years old.
It’s kind of amazing that the Panasonics are so robust. I wonder if anyone has published how they do it.

Edit: I replaced my previous two OEM Panasonic batteries at 5-6 years. They didn’t die, always started, but got real sluggish in cold weather.
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20k miles.
About 2 years.

I accidently let the OEM battery completely die/drain 2 times and with all the jolting and rocking all over the place while hitting the washboards hard and a number of rock piles the battery just won't hold a charge anymore.

Dropped an AGM in there and has been good for the past 2 years no prob.
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still going on strong after 5 years, just replaced it with a AGM battery just for peace of mind, mainly due to my accessories draining my batteries.
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I had an OEM Panasonic battery in my previous Honda that lasted for 16 years before it died. I'm hoping my current OEM Panasonic in the T4R will be similar.
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How long have most of you guys been going on the stock battery?

My truck is about 3.5 years old. Just dropped off for an oil change and 35K service at the dealer. They of course sent me a list of items that need replacing. Rear brakes, brake flush, cabin filter, and stated the battery failed and needs replacing.

Seems like a lot of you guys are going 7 years on a stock battery.

I'm in Texas so the battery is subjected to quite a bit of hot weather but the last year I've been working from home since Covid so the 4Runner has only been seeing a couple of drives a week. I've tried to make sure I've driven long enough each week to keep her charged up.

Just curious, I never really trust the dealerships. I have a pack of cabin filters, why would anyone pay $50 for one at the dealer? Can do the brakes myself and will of course buy a battery elsewhere if needed.

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Mine lasted less than 4 years. Granted though, this is ND and the winters are brutal. And the truck was a dealer vehicle so came with higher miles. I have a better cold crank battery from Costco which should go 5+ years. I wanted an AGM but they were out, with no restock any time soon.
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As to the question in the original post: I still have the OEM battery in my ‘18 SR5, just turned over 40,000 miles. In my neck of the woods in north-central Nevada, summer highs are in the 100-105 range, wintertime lows can and do drop into the teens and 20s below zero.

My experience: The OEM battery in my 2002 Tacoma TRD died in 2009 (I think it was a Panasonic also). I’ve had OEM batteries in GM and Ford new vehicles die in six months. When Sears came out with the Die Hard in the early 1980s, I installed one in my 1970 Ford F-250 4x4 truck and it lasted 15 years.

As stated before, the majority of batteries are made by few manufacturers, who make them to the specs required by their sellers to sell within a set price point. Sometimes you get plums, other times you get lemons. People swore by Optimas, until they sold out to one of the major manufacturers (if I remember correctly, Johnson Controls) thus compromised, and then they weren’t as long lasting anymore. When I worked in the auto parts industry, warranty returns went through the roof.
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OEM lasted just under 100,000 miles, about 6 years and that's through Canadian winters. My wife's rx battery lasted almost exactly 100,000 miles as well in Canadian winters. based on my experience, toyota/lexus OEM batteries are very high quality. My wife's rx battery would have lasted much longer I'm sure of it, but the vehicle sat completely idle for about 1 month at the end of winter and it was drained completely. my 4runner battery didn't actually die, it just tested low so it was replaced as a precaution. I'm also sure it would have lasted longer

I see many upgrading to the AGM types from odyssey or northstar but the stock alternator isn't going to charge them fully - so you can either trickle charge or simply hope it lasts but you aren't getting the best out of the setup
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