Eibach Fits Incorrect Lower Bushings in their 5G Pro-Truck Sport Shocks.. Thoughts? - Page 2 - Toyota 4Runner Forum

Drobs · 04-17-2021, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kouki_monster

Dude.. I mean, I feel you. Not everyone is built the same, and I understand that I am "obsessive" over some things. For better or worse, and un-chosen (to a great extent) by myself, this is how my mind works. I see details that others do not and feel compelled to do everything in life "right." Every day, I am reminded, nearly constantly it seems, that I am very different than most.

But the truck was expensive (to me) and I also care about safety/reliability. I'm not a materials engineer, so I don't know anything about those welds there and if the added stress to the area is a concern.

At the end of the day, this is about 1) me trying to find the best solution for my vehicle and my family's safety, and 2) Eibach is a large company that I used to respect.. so it's eye-opening and annoying to find that they've done this. I don't know if it's due to ignorance or greed, but I don't appreciate either. I would have wanted to know this (IMO, important) detail before I spent my hard-earned cash and time on Eibach's products.. and I'm sure there are others out there that will appreciate knowing this, as well. If this post isn't for you, that's fine.

Cheers.

This is why you need to let professionals install stuff.
Don't look for meaning in the mundane.

Your 4Runner will be fine. Tighten it all down - and go enjoy it.

glwood54 · 04-17-2021, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kouki_monster

Yes you folks whom have "no problems" do have one problem, a bent LCA shock mount.

Not everyone who has "no problems". When I installed my Eibach struts last year, it was all I could do to fit them into the LCA shock mount. There was no play with or without the bolt inserted, and with the top mounts loose.

Xanderzuk88 · 04-17-2021, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Drobs

This is why you need to let professionals install stuff.
Don't look for meaning in the mundane.

Your 4Runner will be fine. Tighten it all down - and go enjoy it.

This is a textbook display of willful ignorance. To belittle someone over their criticism of an ill fitting component that can potentially alter the integrity of surrounding components is beyond petty.

Kouki I am with you on this 100%. Further, Eibach as a vendor to Toyota for oem suspension components should be intimately familiar with each and every design characteristic their product interfaces with.

Blue109 · 04-17-2021, 07:13 PM

When all is said and done....I have a great feeling suspension with a perfect height lift for $630 to my door lol. Yes I'd do it again. If I need to open up that bottom mount 2mm a few years from now, I'll be ok with it.

nimby · 04-17-2021, 08:01 PM

This is quite easy to figure out. Not sure why it's so difficult.

Mount the lower shock and torque to the appropriate number.

Is it tight without play? Then you're fine.

Is it loose with some play? Then you'll need to shim it with a couple of 10 cent washers, ask Eibach for a different bushing, or ask Eibach for a refund and get some different shocks.

Is this not obvious??

Drobs · 04-18-2021, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Xanderzuk88

This is a textbook display of willful ignorance. To belittle someone over their criticism of an ill fitting component that can potentially alter the integrity of surrounding components is beyond petty.

Kouki I am with you on this 100%. Further, Eibach as a vendor to Toyota for oem suspension components should be intimately familiar with each and every design characteristic their product interfaces with.

Kouki is finding issues that just aren't there.
Look at glwood54's post. His lower shock mounts were too tight.
The variance is in the shock mount.

Why use a professional? They install this stuff all day long. They don't sit there a look for problems that don't exist.

Look at any of the 5th gen suspension installs on youtube. No one sits there and shakes shocks back and forth that haven't been tightened down.

If you can't do this stuff yourself - get a professional involved. Take over to the dealer and have them do it.

Saker · 04-18-2021, 09:53 AM

FWIW,
Eibach stated ~2mm of "wiggle room" is normal and OK on 2010+ models, that results from them using the pre-2010 bushing.

1/16" = 0.0625
2mm = 0.078

that's less than 3/32"

Appears more than that in the vid.

smooey · 04-18-2021, 10:31 AM

I threw a micrometer on the stock Tokiko shock I have from my 21 ORP and the Eibach 2.0 coilover to show the difference.

The photos aren't posting but you can see them at my website, Shocks - Jeff Feekin

Saker · 04-18-2021, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by smooey

I threw a micrometer on the stock Tokiko shock I have from my 21 ORP and the Eibach 2.0 coilover to show the difference.

The photos aren't posting but you can see them at my website, Shocks - Jeff Feekin

Ok, I likewise, as was @smooey was thinking about the measurements here. So I pulled out my micrometer and took some measurements.
I want to have whatever I need when I do the coilover install.

So this is my findings:

Photos in this order.
Opening of lower shock mount with OEM coilovers installed from factory. 1.643”
Measurement of Toyota TRD FJ Cruiser lower coilover mount. (Same as 4Runner / interchangeable) 1.625”

smooey · 04-18-2021, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Saker

Can’t see the pics

I had the gallery set as private so you'd have to follow the link to see and just made it public. edit - I just checked the link in FF and MS edge and it's working so hopefully you can see them full-size now Shocks - Jeff Feekin .

Here is a link to photo 1 https://photos.smugmug.com/Shocks/i-...%20shock-M.jpg

and here is 2 https://photos.smugmug.com/Shocks/i-...%20Shock-M.jpg

Hopefully those work.

I did my measurements in mm but can redo in inches.

Tricio69 · 04-18-2021, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kouki_monster

At the end of the day, this is about 1) Me trying to find the best solution for my vehicle and my family's safety, and 2) Eibach is a large company that I used to respect.. so it's eye-opening and annoying to find that they've done this. I don't know if it's due to ignorance or greed, but I don't appreciate either. I would have wanted to know this (IMO, important) detail before I spent my hard-earned cash and time on Eibach's products.. and I'm sure there are others out there that will appreciate knowing this, as well. If this post isn't for you, that's fine.

Cheers.

And speaking for myself, I really appreciate you posting this. Thank you.

Not sure about others (and also speaking just for myself), but between to long delivery delays (stop blaming COVID), this issue and the lack of any response on here from anyone from Eibach (who were very active before), I am thinking about cancelling my order with Wheelers and going in a different direction.

Eibach should respond to this either explaining why this should be acceptable or how they will fix the issue moving forward.

nimby · 04-18-2021, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Saker

FWIW,
Eibach stated ~2mm of "wiggle room" is normal and OK on 2010+ models, that results from them using the pre-2010 bushing.

1/16" = 0.0625
2mm = 0.078

that's less than 3/32"

Appears more than that in the vid.

It looks like that in the vid because he hasn't torqued the lower shock mount bolt yet. If he torques down the lower shock mount bolt and there is no play, then where is the issue?

If there is play after torquing the bolt, I can understand the concern but it's a very easy fix.

Saker · 04-18-2021, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nimby

It looks like that in the vid because he hasn't torqued the lower shock mount bolt yet. If he torques down the lower shock mount bolt and there is no play, then where is the issue?

If there is play after torquing the bolt, I can understand the concern but it's a very easy fix.

Ok

smooey · 04-18-2021, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nimby

It looks like that in the vid because he hasn't torqued the lower shock mount bolt yet. If he torques down the lower shock mount bolt and there is no play, then where is the issue?

If there is play after torquing the bolt, I can understand the concern but it's a very easy fix.

You are correct that once tightened that play goes away. It's after that, that you may or may not have a problem depending on how you look at things and/or if you make any suspension changes.

In my case I went from stock to the Eibach 2.0 coilovers and 2 weeks later then went to a TRD pro Fox suspension.

When I pulled out the Eibachs the Fox shock would not fit in the lower mount because when you tighten it up to remove the play it bends the lower mount. It wasn't even close to fitting.

I found that to be freaking annoying because in my experience it's not as simple as a hammer and a pry bar as other posters have said. And it added probably 1.5 hours to the install to open the brackets open enough to get the shock with the correct size bushing in and the hole for the bolt lined up.

I'd prefer to not bend and rebend something to attaches to my suspension but that's me and my comfort level.

nimby · 04-18-2021, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by smooey

You are correct that once tightened that play goes away. It's after that, that you may or may not have a problem depending on how you look at things and/or if you make any suspension changes.

In my case I went from stock to the Eibach 2.0 coilovers and 2 weeks later then went to a TRD pro Fox suspension.

When I pulled out the Eibachs the Fox shock would not fit in the lower mount because when you tighten it up to remove the play it bends the lower mount. It wasn't even close to fitting.

I found that to be freaking annoying because in my experience it's not as simple as a hammer and a pry bar as other posters have said. And it added probably 1.5 hours to the install to open the brackets open enough to get the shock with the correct size bushing in and the hole for the bolt lined up.

I'd prefer to not bend and rebend something to attaches to my suspension but that's me and my comfort level.

I don't want to diminish your issue, but it really isn't that hard to bend the lower shock mount brackets back into place with the correct tool/leverage.

Those that have experience putting on suspension components know this is a very common occurrence across different vehicles and suspension offerings.

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