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Old 04-22-2021, 04:44 PM #31
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If installed correctly, there's nothing wrong with hub-centric spacers especially those from Spider Trax. Anytime you bring the tire away from, it's going to shorten the life of your wheel bearing and such, the same goes for wheels with a negative offset.

With that being said, if I didn't NEED spacers I would not run them just for looks, because even though they're safe, it's still another part that COULD fail.
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What caster do you have on front?
Right around 4.4-4.5 degrees. I asked the tech to give me as much as he possibly could.
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I've had Spidertrax 1.25" spacers on my truck for almost 3 years now. They are on there purely for aesthetics. I don't have any issues in the front of the fender due to the high-clearance cut, but I did need to do a BMC and occasionally the tire will get up into the area of the pinch weld at the rear of the fender. I have lost the plastic trim piece that covers the pinch weld several times and ended up notching it so the tire clears. My tires are about 2" wider than yours tho.

Are the front of your bumper and fenders cut upwards? Seems there is more tire showing than normal.
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Adding spacers changes the geometry of the suspension; and adds double the hardware to mount each wheel. Nobody has yet mentioned what happens when you have to slam on the brakes and, or do an evasive maneuver with your spaced out wheels at highway speeds. Has anyone practiced this to gain experience? Also adding anti-seize to threads (as someone mentioned) changes the torque value - so what is the new correct value? Is your insurance going to cover you in the event of an accident with these modifications? If I was going to add spacers, I'd want to know the answers to these questions.
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I've had the 1.25" since the end of Jan/early Feb. I wasn't going to order anything but Spidertrax just because of the rep and quality they do carry.
That said, I only have them on the front (had to get clearance from the new UCAs) and don't notice a difference in how the truck acts on the road or off road. Had no problems with the alignment afterwards either.
With the new effective wheel offset, I did start rubbing on the front mud flaps when turning on flat ground forward or backwards. With some cutting and a heat gun, it's just a VERY light touch now, not enough to warrant completely removing what's left of the flaps (yet, new wheels/34's coming later this year).
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So far I've put on 500 miles to my Spidertrax since my last post. Also spent a day at a OHV and banged, smashed, and dropped off ledges HARD with my wheels on numerous rock obstacles. Took off my wheels to inspect the spacers, nothing moved. Witness marks makes checking easy.






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Are the front of your bumper and fenders cut upwards? Seems there is more tire showing than normal.
Yes. I have the SSO Slimline Bumper with the high clearance side protection.
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Adding spacers changes the geometry of the suspension; and adds double the hardware to mount each wheel. Nobody has yet mentioned what happens when you have to slam on the brakes and, or do an evasive maneuver with your spaced out wheels at highway speeds. Has anyone practiced this to gain experience? Also adding anti-seize to threads (as someone mentioned) changes the torque value - so what is the new correct value? Is your insurance going to cover you in the event of an accident with these modifications? If I was going to add spacers, I'd want to know the answers to these questions.
DO NOT ANTI-SEIZE THE THREADS.

The threads get RED locktite. You put a bit of anti-seize between the spacer and the wheel hub face to stop the spacers from corroding to the hub.

Nothing different happens when you slam on the brakes or swerve. You wheels are set an inch wider. That's it.
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DO NOT ANTI-SEIZE THE THREADS.

The threads get RED locktite. You put a bit of anti-seize between the spacer and the wheel hub face to stop the spacers from corroding to the hub.

Nothing different happens when you slam on the brakes or swerve. You wheels are set an inch wider. That's it.
Torque values on the hub/etc. are all multiplied due to the 1.25'' additional width, so it's disingenuous to say "nothing different happens."
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DO NOT ANTI-SEIZE THE THREADS.

The threads get RED locktite. You put a bit of anti-seize between the spacer and the wheel hub face to stop the spacers from corroding to the hub.

Nothing different happens when you slam on the brakes or swerve. You wheels are set an inch wider. That's it.

This.

Installed correctly there should be zero issues with anything. I just put some on my 4runner about 60 miles ago, today I am going to pull the wheels and check the torque. I still have stock size tires and have zero rubbing, but it looks like once I go up in size I will have a little trimming to do.

I also had a set on a previous jeep. I put thousands of miles on them with zero issues.

The biggest thing, like with any mod. Make sure you install it correctly and torque bolts properly and you should be all set
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Torque values on the hub/etc. are all multiplied due to the 1.25'' additional width, so it's disingenuous to say "nothing different happens."
There is no noticeable difference in driving feel for hard braking or swerving when comparing similar setups with and without wheel spacers.

I personally have 65,000+ miles on my spacers, with thousands of miles off road and hundreds of hard hits (including a concrete ditch culvert) and there have been *zero* issues. One guy made a reddit post about losing a wheel because torque specs weren't followed and everyone starts losing their mind that the things are unsafe. Lots of things are unsafe if you don't follow the proper use instructions.

People are making mountains out of mole hills.
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Torque values on the hub/etc. are all multiplied due to the 1.25'' additional width, so it's disingenuous to say "nothing different happens."
Regardless of a change, it'd be symmetrical and moot as long as both sides were installed properly and the vehicle's alignment done within spec. Think about what happens with long travel kits utilizing stock pivot locations, there is a ton more leverage being applied, but again it's symmetrical since both sides have the same adjustment, and as long as the bushings and steering connectors are in good shape then nothing bad happens.

Immediately after installing 1.5" hub centric spacers, I went to Joshua Tree and then earlier this month did a 2K+ mile SoCal to UT camping/overlanding trip with off roading and everything felt solid, and when I checked spacers' torque after initial JT trip nothing had moved.

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Regardless of a change, it'd be symmetrical and moot as long as both sides were installed properly and the vehicle's alignment done within spec. Think about what happens with long travel kits utilizing stock pivot locations, there is a ton more leverage being applied, but again it's symmetrical since both sides have the same adjustment, and as long as the bushings and steering connectors are in good shape then nothing bad happens.

Immediately after installing 1.5" hub centric spacers, I went to Joshua Tree and then earlier this month did a 2K+ mile SoCal to UT camping/overlanding trip with off roading and everything felt solid, and when I checked spacers' torque after initial JT trip nothing had moved.
The fact that it's happening on both side doesn't change the fact that it's putting additional stress on the hubs/bearings. I'm glad you've had a good experience with them, but it's worth discussing the potential negatives.

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There is no noticeable difference in driving feel for hard braking or swerving when comparing similar setups with and without wheel spacers.

I personally have 65,000+ miles on my spacers, with thousands of miles off road and hundreds of hard hits (including a concrete ditch culvert) and there have been *zero* issues. One guy made a reddit post about losing a wheel because torque specs weren't followed and everyone starts losing their mind that the things are unsafe. Lots of things are unsafe if you don't follow the proper use instructions.

People are making mountains out of mole hills.
I'm not saying your wheels are going to fall off, but it's disingenuous to say that the wheel bearings/etc. aren't stressed more due to the additional torque on them from the wheels moving 1.25''+ away from the hub. It's detrimental to those parts, but if you're OK with it then it's fine.
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I have had spacers on my 350z, tundra, and my 4runner, and have never had a problem with them since i install them myself and torque them to spec by myself. I have done some really stupid stuff (drifted the 350z, tried to jump the tundra and 4runner over some railroad tracks) with all 3 of those vehicles, and the spacers held up fine.

I have also witnessed a friend of mine have 5 out of 6 of his lug nuts sheer off on the wheel side and not on the spacer side, mainly due to a grease monkey at a tire shop who insisted on using a impact gun on his wheels that stretched the wheel studs and they failed literally a block away from the tire shop.

Moral of the story, be cautious when letting other people work on your wheels and tires when you have spacers on. It's not so much that the spacers fail on their own, but usually due to human error or neglegience on whomever YOU PAID to work on your wheels and tires.

As for additional stress on my suspension components, while i have heard of it on the internet, its never happened to me. Not to say it doesn't happen, but it doesn't bother me enough to be a concern.
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The fact that it's happening on both side doesn't change the fact that it's putting additional stress on the hubs/bearings. I'm glad you've had a good experience with them, but it's worth discussing the potential negatives.



I'm not saying your wheels are going to fall off, but it's disingenuous to say that the wheel bearings/etc. aren't stressed more due to the additional torque on them from the wheels moving 1.25''+ away from the hub. It's detrimental to those parts, but if you're OK with it then it's fine.
I was referring specifically to someone's question about BRAKING AND SWERVING DRIVING FEEL. I was not providing an engineering dissertation on the additional stresses put on the hub. Just DRIVING FEEL. You have taken three words from a sentence and entirely ignored the context.

I can't tell if you are overly pedantic or just dense.
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