05-06-2021, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Too Stroked
I don't think Toyota glass is any more fragile than any other major manufacturer. If you don't like Toyota glass, wait till you see what Safelite slaps in there. Some of the aftermarket stuff has more waves than the average Great Lake.
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Nope
My insurance is for new OEM replacement parts. Glass has $0 deductible too.
I dont know if I would have Safelite do the R&R anyhow.
I wont replace it until it leaks or I cannot stand looking at the crack. That might be years.
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05-06-2021, 06:11 PM
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Well this may be the dumbest thread of 2021,
Now If you had said that the more upright design of the 4runner glass causes it to be more prone to damage from impacts I think everyone would agree - and might even match up with this scientific discussion you had with the glass repair man/insurance gurus
You have no idea on the size, weight, shape etc of the object that hit the windshield and you just default to the worst ever. Was there a control study done against other manufacturing in the same setting?........great science
But I will play - I got a stone chip in my glass 4-5years ago, did a self repair with a cheap kit from the parts store and it didn't spider so I think Toyota glass is excellent and I am also 10x better repair man then your safelite guy
I just ribbing you OP, its the internet you can post what you want but seriously...Craptastic thread
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05-06-2021, 06:38 PM
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Laminated glass is laminated glass. There are no better or worse make-ups. Maybe the interlayer is thicker on some, but that will not affect the strength of the glass to exterior impacts. Claiming otherwise would be like saying the 316 Stainless Steel from one company is superior to another's.
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05-06-2021, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by sgvT4R
Virtually all automotive glass is made to a certain standard thickness and the main manufacturer is PPG. I've seen small rocks going 25mph crack a windshield and sometimes 50mph and not break a glass. It just depends on the type of rock and how it hits the surface. I'm basically saying, you were just unlucky this time.
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There are some false statements here.
1) automotive glass comes in a wide array of thicknesses and compositions and laminate ply architecture. There are significant differences when biasing which ply is thicker is the laminate construction.
2)PPG doesn’t even exist - hasn’t for several years. They sold their automotive operations to PGW and then sold everything to Vitro out of Mexico. Last I checked AGC had the highest market share followed closely by Fuyao, then Vitro, NSG Pilkington, Guardian/Carlex.
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05-06-2021, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by pcstockton
Laminated glass is laminated glass. There are no better or worse make-ups. Maybe the interlayer is thicker on some, but that will not affect the strength of the glass to exterior impacts. Claiming otherwise would be like saying the 316 Stainless Steel from one company is superior to another's.
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This is not correct. You can vary the thickness of each glass layer and vary the interlayer to improve strength, acoustic properties, etc
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05-06-2021, 07:30 PM
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There's no science being offered here. How big was the stone? Maybe there were two stones, one immediately behind the other. At what angle did it impact the windshield? At what velocity (50mph isn't the answer)? What force was applied, over what area? Were you able to conduct scientific comparisons to other windshields? What about SafeLite's repair process - did they use the proper amount of vacuum to do the repair? If yes, how do you know? Perhaps they mis-diagnosed the degree of damage.
I've had numerous rock strikes to the windshield of my 2019 4Runner, and ecpected to see damage from a few of them. But none yet. Does that make my 4Runner's windshield the best ever?
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05-06-2021, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by pcstockton
Laminated glass is laminated glass. There are no better or worse make-ups. Maybe the interlayer is thicker on some, but that will not affect the strength of the glass to exterior impacts. Claiming otherwise would be like saying the 316 Stainless Steel from one company is superior to another's.
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Um, no. Just to give you an idea, recently we had a 2017 Tacoma show up at the Toyota dealership I work at for some truly wild electrical issues. Our best Technician quickly traced it down to an extremely wavy aftermarket windshield that had also been poorly installed. (All windshields are the same, right?) This led to water running down the A pillar and causing corrosion in the main electrical harness & connectors. The insurance company forked out almost $4,000 to repair the wiring. Then they pulled out the windshield and slapped in another wavy aftermarket POS. Words fail me.
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05-06-2021, 07:48 PM
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It's sad that anyone would think that a fragile windshield like this is ok.
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Be happy you don't own an FJ Cruiser.
Those guys are plagued by busted/cracked/spidered windshields.
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I wont replace it until it leaks or I cannot stand looking at the crack. That might be years.
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I was lucky enough to get a spider right above the heater element the first year I owned the truck. I "fixed" with an epox kit and 6+ years later it finally blew out, 12 months ago. Again, "luck", it went straight across the bottom BUT craziness and I think this is was caused it to go ballistic, under the wiper on the passenger side a quarter size chunk of glass broke out right on top of the heater element. Some moisture must have penetrated, the heater element heat and then expansion, boom.
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05-06-2021, 08:40 PM
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05-06-2021, 09:05 PM
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Great thread cant believe I read it
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05-06-2021, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 2021nightshade4x4
Can’t comment yet on Toyota’s glass. Miss my laminated front driver and passenger windows in Dodge and Land Rover. As unreliable as Dodge and Land Rover are in everything else, their glass vendor (Pilkington) makes some of the strongest laminated stuff in any vehicle I’ve had.
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Thanks for the kind words. Pilkington is now under the NSG Group. NSG and Central Glass are the Asia brand names, Europe and NA are Pilkington
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05-06-2021, 09:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichinRidgewood
Nope
My insurance is for new OEM replacement parts. Glass has $0 deductible too.
I dont know if I would have Safelite do the R&R anyhow.
I wont replace it until it leaks or I cannot stand looking at the crack. That might be years.
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Am I understanding correctly? You have a damaged windshield, OEM replacement insurance, $0 deductible, glass repair typically doesn't affect premiums, and your original post was complaining about how much the original windshield bothers you (going as far as to use the much maligned all-caps approach)...yet you're not going to replace it? What's really going on here?
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05-06-2021, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RichinRidgewood
I was in North Carolina when a dump truck got on I95. We were only going like 50mph when a stone bounced and hit my windshield and caused a star.
In one year (2020-2021) I have had a chip and a star and now the star turned into a crack when Safelite was trying to put a vacuum on it to fill the star in.
These Toyota 4Runner windshields are the biggest pieces of shit I have ever seen on a vehicle in my entire life.
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05-06-2021, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by somenoise
Am I understanding correctly? You have a damaged windshield, OEM replacement insurance, $0 deductible, glass repair typically doesn't affect premiums, and your original post was complaining about how much the original windshield bothers you (going as far as to use the much maligned all-caps approach)...yet you're not going to replace it? What's really going on here?
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1 I have to go somewhere for a couple hours that I shouldn’t have to with a year old vehicle
2 They will e’ff the truck up pulling out the old windshield
3 They will e’ff up the camera and mirror calibration and I will harpoon a school buss while on auto pilot
4 the broken windshields will be a yearly goddamn event
5 e’ff this
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05-06-2021, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RichinRidgewood
Nope
My insurance is for new OEM replacement parts. Glass has $0 deductible too.
I dont know if I would have Safelite do the R&R anyhow.
I wont replace it until it leaks or I cannot stand looking at the crack. That might be years.
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Try to find a local shop that can replace your windshield with a PPG or ask safelite to replace it with one...
Explain to insurance co, that the windshields safelite uses are more fragile than PPG....worth the try!
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