Maybe he's talking about a Fox DSC with a 700lb spring?

As you mentioned, undersprung but overvalved is the ideal setup. However, most people don't end up with that ideal setup because we all go out like dumbasses and buy the suspension first, and then add weight and it becomes undersprung and undervalved (is that a word). I managed to even blow a front shock and eventually got my whole suspension overhauled and rebuilt, so I speak from experience..lol.

So for most people who do things assbackwards like i did, and buy a suspension setup before knowing what their final weight is....i'd go oversprung every time, since we tend to add weight overtime..not lose it...(like my ever growing waistline). Also, i found that a quick fix to the firmness while offroading is lower the tire pressure a little bit more..or drive faster...or add more weight. There are no quick fixes to a vehicle that is under sprung and undervalved...it just feels and drives broken when off the pavement.

FYI...obviously, not talking about the ideal setup..more emphasizing what mistakes most people just getting into offroading make when choosing suspension, and the compromise they need to make if they have no idea what their final weight is going to be.

Same here..i dont want to constantly upgrade my upgrades or accessorize my accessories. When i make changes to my vehicle, its all about compromises that I can live with, or what i have future plans i have for the vehicle. After I had my suspension rebuilt...i don't want to do that again in the near future...its god damn expensive lol.

I changed the springs on the 6112s to 700lb. This time around, I'm going Fox DSC with 700lb springs

Did you see the part about my weight? Extra weight is why I switched to 700lb springs back in 17...

So what springs did you use to do that? Bilstein/Eibach does 550 (which vendors call 600) and 650.

I have never bottomed out on 650 springs with the 6112. I don't have front bumper though.

King 700lb (I believe 14in). Eibach makes them also, but when I bought them, Kings had a discount that made them cheaper than eibach. Eibach makes most, if not all springs for US....so I been told.

KING 14" COIL SPRING PAIRS FOR 2.5" COILOVERS

No.

The way it reads to me is that you didn't have any additional weight.

Just under 5800lbs unloaded....no one in it, no RTT, dogs, gear. Its probably at least 500-700lbs heavier than stock before adding the above for trips.

Gotcha, thanks.

Yup, that's real difference. Thanks for clarifying.

you should swap rear springs for trips if youre adding that much weight. It's a bit of extra work but it pays off. We did a trip and one other vehicle was a 4runner, he did not swap rear springs, it held him up on the faster sections, he was riding the bump stops.

Yikes. Yes, it is not hard at all to change springs in the rear.

To come back to this, my front is precisely that: oversprung. In result it goes over everything and does not bottom out, but because it is oversprung the suspension absorbs less than it should.

It does the job at a fraction of the cost of a high-end front suspension, but a 600lb spring would probably be better (the standard is not 600 as sometimes advertised by vendors, but 550 or less).

WAIT A MINUTE:

I ended up noticing that all over the Elka site their so-called 2.5 shock is said to have a 56 mm BODY. A 2.5 shock is supposed to have a 60 mm PISTON.

Bilstein and King have 60mm pistons
Fox has 58 mm piston

Elka is 56 mm body the SAME as Dobinsons MRA which is never advertised as 2.5. The Dobs has a 50 mm piston, OME BP 51 has, cough, 51 mm piston and so the Elka maybe 50-52 mm piston definitely not 58-60.

I also don't see anything special in their description: smaller shocks on heavier springs. No surprise. Until you notice the price. Now, that's something.

I get it that they are made of aluminum but the Elka shocks just on numbers alone have no place in one line with King, Fox, Bilstein.