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Old 06-09-2021, 10:42 AM #1
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Best video explaining KDSS
Came across this video on how KDSS works. Very detailed and really makes me happy i got it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3BnLLwbScA
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he does a great job explaining, good video. he needs to make a video on the XREAS and ATRAC now. although there are a couple good ones for ATRAC, I haven't seen a detailed XREAS one like this though. KDSS, XREAS and ATRAC seem to be common themed questions for prospective buyers
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ATRAC is just off-road oriented traction control
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Came across this video on how KDSS works. Very detailed and really makes me happy i got it.

2021 Toyota 4Runner TRD Off-Road Suspension Walkaround: Why I Bought The KDSS Stabilizer Bar System - YouTube
It is because of this video and understanding what KDSS does along with knowing I am not going to do a wild suspension upgrade, I went with KDSS on my order!
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he does a great job explaining, good video. he needs to make a video on the XREAS and ATRAC now. although there are a couple good ones for ATRAC, I haven't seen a detailed XREAS one like this though. KDSS, XREAS and ATRAC seem to be common themed questions for prospective buyers
ATRAC and XREAS are definitely simpler to understand than KDSS, even our explanations are sufficient. But it would be cool to see him explain.


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It is because of this video and understanding what KDSS does along with knowing I am not going to do a wild suspension upgrade, I went with KDSS on my order!
Best part is you can still do a ~2" lift with KDSS if you really wanted to.

I'm not a rock crawler but i like to do some normal offroading in the NE plus use my 4R as a daily driver. KDSS gives such great road manners and stock off road advantages its totally worth it for many. Just handles so well for a big SUV, going around bends is a pleasure with KDSS.

Toyota continues to impress me with the well thought out features and manufacturing quality.
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Best part is you can still do a ~2" lift with KDSS if you really wanted to.
Yeah! I plan on doing about a 2" lift down the road. We have great trails right here in CO that I have explored extensively on dual-sport bikes, but plan on staying on the easy trails with this TRD Off Road. Not that it is not capable, just personal choice.
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Great explanation, especially the bike thing. Thanks for sharing. Love having KDSS on my daily. 2.4" lift with 33s and it drives like a dream.
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Great explanation, especially the bike thing. Thanks for sharing. Love having KDSS on my daily. 2.4" lift with 33s and it drives like a dream.
I'm planning on doing a lift when i hit 100k when i replace all the shocks. Just don't want the potential "lean" by doing so. Did you have to do any cutting to fit the 33's?
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I've read a lot of posts about KDSS trying to understand what it feels like on the road. It always seems to come down to something like, "It feels better" or "It drives better."

I'm trying to understand specifically how it feels or drives better on the road, not off road.
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I've read a lot of posts about KDSS trying to understand what it feels like on the road. It always seems to come down to something like, "It feels better" or "It drives better."

I'm trying to understand specifically how it feels or drives better on the road, not off road.
The video posted goes over exactly what it does on the road.

Primarily it's a super stiff roll stabilizing bar, so when you pull lateral G's the vehicle stays flat and level (relative to a non-KDSS vehicle of the same make/model/weight/lift/tires/etc.) instead of leaning at an angle. Basically it feels confident when in mountain twisties. It's still not a sports car by any means, but it is stiff and stable in the turns.
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The video posted goes over exactly what it does on the road.

Primarily it's a super stiff roll stabilizing bar, so when you pull lateral G's the vehicle stays flat and level (relative to a non-KDSS vehicle of the same make/model/weight/lift/tires/etc.) instead of leaning at an angle. Basically it feels confident when in mountain twisties. It's still not a sports car by any means, but it is stiff and stable in the turns.

A TRD Pro doesn't have KDSS; so what is it like in lateral Gs? Or does it have a suspension that compensates for no KDSS?
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A TRD Pro doesn't have KDSS; so what is it like in lateral Gs? Or does it have a suspension that compensates for no KDSS?
TRD Pro has different shocks/springs, but it doesn't compensate for no KDSS. Additionally with the slight lift that increases the CG and the bending moment that induces body roll and would therefore most likely be worse (unless the new springs are much stiffer than stock). The TRD Pro uses the same traditional anti-roll bar as the SR5 and Limited (which gets X-reas shocks from the factory).

I don't know that anyone has done the scientific comparison of measuring body lean angle at various lateral G's, but it would be interesting to know the numbers.
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great vid, thanks for sharing.
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This may be the best place to ask this… I’ve read conflicting things on here before. When does the system go “limp”? I think it’s below 12mph, but I’ve heard some say it must be in 4lo but others say no. I’ve never seen conformation. Right now, sitting in my drive way, is it limp? Allowing the pistons to easily move up and down?
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This may be the best place to ask this… I’ve read conflicting things on here before. When does the system go “limp”? I think it’s below 12mph, but I’ve heard some say it must be in 4lo but others say no. I’ve never seen conformation. Right now, sitting in my drive way, is it limp? Allowing the pistons to easily move up and down?
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