At this point I tend to agree on the spring rate. The springs in now are the helper springs not the main upper spring. Those will be in 500# range. We are working with wide open design on the springs and they build rock buggies and rock bouncers which is again an entirely different world. We are not sure the starting rate on the helper springs which is why we ordered 5 set of springs on Friday for delivery Monday. They are great in that we can send back all the springs we do not use. So by the end of the day Monday, I'll know what the final mix is front and rear.

Definitely not a go fast truck. This truck would not do well at that and would need additional suspension damping like most of west coast do with bypass shocks.

In any case short of a custom built rock crawler or rock buggy with ifs 4-6" is most common amount of up travel with lots more down travel. Last year I wheeler with a guy in cherokee who had 60" of total travel. He had so much up travel had rear floor cut. We could add 2" more of up-travel in the rear but would have to cut the floor to allow the links to move up into cabin. The expense of doing this is just not worth it. My 4R will be plenty capable and serve me well for a long time. I have 16" shocks and we will limit the total travel to 15.5" split between up and down.

I have a lot to learn about my 4R and that will start next Wednesday at what should be a very muddy Windrock park due to Ida. I will do my best to record and post as much as I can to show what it's capable of.

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