I hear all you saying about the waiting game might be long. But like I said I’m new to this scene. Even if I wait. I won’t wait long since I just started looking into a 4r for the first time. I have a 2 year old now and I want a great family truck/suv that is capable of city and off road. So the waiting game for me won’t be a too long. Even if I wait say until 25’. But I won’t wait as long. I’m hoping by this time next year we will have 4r news. I even think when the tundra gets officially announced. Ther will be some news if that engine will be in the 4r. Toyota will get asked plenty of questions on the future with the tundra release.

What exactly is a "cool car?"

You conflicted yourself.

I work for the Federal Reserve. We will see some inflation, but it’s largely due to supply chain disruption couple with pent up demand with added fuel from stimulus. Neither of those will last forever.

If you don't NEED one right now, I would personally set aside that cash and save up some more for a bigger down payment. Hopefully by the time you can't wait anymore, the prices will be lower. But...sometimes waiting until you absolutly need one can bite you in the butt if it happens under unfavorable conditions.

[QUOTE=CutthroatSlam;3658653]You conflicted yourself.

I work for the Federal Reserve. We will see some inflation, but it’s largely due to supply chain disruption couple with pent up demand with added fuel from stimulus. Neither of those will last forever.[/QUOTE

Why won’t they last?

The stimulus won’t stop. Government won’t spend smart. We’re circling the drain until the fed blows our reserve currency status and sinks the country.

Something without auto start/stop, displacement on demand, a CVT, or traction control! LOL


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Look at this chart, 2009 (-0.4%) was the only deflationary year we have had since 1955. (Also -0.4%). This year, Apr/May/Jun showed 4.2%/5.0%/5.4% rates. If this continues through the end of the year, do you realize how big of an event would be required to “undo” a 5% or 6% inflationary year? With its compounding nature, inflation never truly or fully gets undone (deflation never lasts more than a flash in the pan).

Hint: anyone pissed that their job gives a flat 3% raise each year won’t be concerned about that 3% losing ground, they’ll be out of a job entirely.

Current US Inflation Rates: 2000-2021 | US Inflation Calculator


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Insults guy that owns 4Runner bc he is honest about the platforms inherent weaknesses.*cool*

I have a 16 limited and have it set up with 15-20k of extras. Wheeled a lot in Colorado and Utah. You can be in a diesel wrangler rubicon with money to spend, or a trx or raptor for a few dollars more. All of those trucks I’d vastly prefer to my truck bc of engines and the significantly less amount of work to make them basically bulletproof.

Isaac(lawndart) moved from his trd pro to a raptor and was largely honest about the raptor being superior across the board. He went from a highly modded pro to a lightly modded raptor bc it doesn’t need much done to it from the factory. Mike glover from fieldcraft survival swapped out of a 4Runner to a 2500 ram bc of payload capacity issues. I don’t think he hates Toyota’s, but he’s honest about it’s limitations.

I like my 4Runner, it’s a good jack of all trades vehicle and it fits many needs. But, it has some pretty large inherent weaknesses as well. Engine is anemic in 2021. Interior is meh. 1/4 tons are inherently limited in what you can do with them from the weight standpoint. Be honest about 4runners, they are very solid suvs, not perfect.

This exactly. Add in the fed having no appetite for any sort of normal free market action and things get very weird.

There’s a lot less things and a lot more money. This isn’t rocket science.

Edit: just read the dems think continuing on the spend and inflate path will payoff at the same time they are downgrading gdp expectations. Fade Paul krugman and sleepy joe and buy the car. Inflation is about to be completely out of hand.

I am not a fan of Krugman. He is more of a political activist than an economist. I do believe that he is a supporter of Modern Monetarist Theory which advocates printing currency as a solution for everything.

I do not believe that inflation will run out of control. It is only occurring in select areas of disruption in the face of pent up demand. We also still have the demographic headwind of retiring baby boomers. Retirees normally spend less. Ironically, it was a lot of retiring boomers who chased up home prices outside of urban areas.

We'll see on the claims of permanent inflation, but I'm not convinced. I think this herd mentality will run out of steam once they get back to their Barista jobs at Starbucks.

Goldman cutting their GDP forecast because of consumer lack of demand for services. More importantly, consumer demand for goods not sustainable. Just like the rush to hoard toilet paper, this herd demand for new and used cars will subside.

Goldman Sachs cuts U.S. economic growth forecast over weaker spending on services

I'm getting a '22 as I want BSM and RCTA.

I really have no interest in the 6th Gen and the chance it'll be a small turbo'ed engine and not made in Japan.

Paying MSRP is fine with me as the most you ever seen to get off of a 4Rumner is 3-4% and waiting 6+ months just to try to save $1K just isn't worth it to me.

They can add whatever they want to it but a Turbo 4-cylinder means that I won't be a buyer of it. I have no desire for a turbo on a daily driver when some of my drives may be less than 2 miles each way in the winter.

The earliest the 6th gen will come is Spring 2024. It's tentatively on the schedule at the Guanajuato Plant to start building Q1 of 2024. That's if the hybrid development goes as planned (they're planning on allowing the driver to switch between electric and ICE power). The other motor option will be a I4 turbo.

Of course this is all speculation............but plan accordingly.

So that would truly be a radically new vehicle which should mean 5th gen prices remain high for a long time to come.

I assume the idea would be to at least double the size of that plant? A quick google search shows it is far too small at present.

I don't envy the buyers of year 1 production with so many changes, Toyota badge or not.