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Question Front End Overhaul on 5th Gen... Prepping for the work in my home garage.

ABOUT MY 4Runner:

2015 Trail Edition 175,000 miles - mostly highway.
* About 1/2 of that with heavy loads (cargo, roof rack loaded, trailer, or other junk)
* Probably about 12,000 off road or rough road
* 1,830 of that was hard off road driving (Loaded, running 4LO, and moderate rock crawling
* Replaced outer tie rod ends on both sides (passenger side twice) with no failures. They just started leaking.
* LFD Off Road Hybrid Front Bumper with Engo Winch (on for 20,000 miles)
* LFD Off Road Full Steel Skid Plates (on for 35,000 miles)
* Dobinson's GS59-700 Shocks with Dobinson's C59-314 Springs (40,000 miles)
* JBA UCAs (40,000 miles)
* Stock Trail Rims
* 90% on stock size tires
* Currently running 255/75R17 Kumho MT71 Tires

THE PROBLEM

I've got an intermittent squeak when I am rolling and turning left. I've gone through and tightened all the bolts to spec, and I have lubricated everything. In doing so, I noticed my CV boot has a very small leak (as do my tie rod ends... again). I'm hoping the CV is the cause of the squeak, and I can do a new boot kit on it and keep it as a backup, but with all these miles I'm thinking about updating all my front end running gear to ensure everything is in working order.

THE PLAN SO FAR:

> 43430-60082 CV Axles on both sides
> Toyota Part # 48068-60040 Right Lower Control Arm (LCA)
> Toyota Part # 48069-60040 Left Lower Control Arm
> Toyota Part # 45046-69245 Tie Rod Ends
> New Boots on the UCAs
> ...and I'm tempted to get SuperPro or other LCAs aftermarket...

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So, where do you guys source this stuff from? Got any tips for the install?
(obligatory searches were done prior to posting - looking for more opinions and recommendations)
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Solid plan, I think. I did read that you can replace just the bushings in the LCA rather than the whole LCA, which is cheaper. I haven't done this myself yet, but I recall reading that getting the old bushings out was the toughest part. I did something similar on a TJ for the track bar and had to burn the bushings out.
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Solid plan, I think. I did read that you can replace just the bushings in the LCA rather than the whole LCA, which is cheaper. I haven't done this myself yet, but I recall reading that getting the old bushings out was the toughest part. I did something similar on a TJ for the track bar and had to burn the bushings out.
I thought about just doing the bushings, but I figure with that many miles I can shelf the old ones as backups. My OEM Used Parts shelf already has three full sections... what's one more?
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I thought about just doing the bushings, but I figure with that many miles I can shelf the old ones as backups. My OEM Used Parts shelf already has three full sections... what's one more?
do yourself a favor and get the dirtking LCAs with delrin bushings and moog joints. transforms steering feel on top of being WAY more durable than stock
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I thought about just doing the bushings, but I figure with that many miles I can shelf the old ones as backups. My OEM Used Parts shelf already has three full sections... what's one more?
I like the plan as is with LCA replacement instead of bushings.

I would personally keep the Toyota parts (I just got steering rods as trail spares from Japan via megazip.net).

OR go +2 long travel and then replace LCAs and CVs etc accordingly.

I would only do the latter if the 4R is off duty as main family mobile.
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I like the plan as is with LCA replacement instead of bushings.

I would personally keep the Toyota parts (I just got steering rods as trail spares from Japan via megazip.net).

OR go +2 long travel and then replace LCAs and CVs etc accordingly.

I would only do the latter if the 4R is off duty as main family mobile.
I agree with this. Aftermarket LCAs are reeeeeally expensive and they aren't worth it unless you're actually running a long/longer travel set up. And if you are running LT, then be prepared for mucho maintenance because LT done right is a whole new ballgame. So, for regular setup OEM LCA all the way.
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I like the plan as is with LCA replacement instead of bushings.

I would personally keep the Toyota parts (I just got steering rods as trail spares from Japan via megazip.net).

OR go +2 long travel and then replace LCAs and CVs etc accordingly.

I would only do the latter if the 4R is off duty as main family mobile.
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I agree with this. Aftermarket LCAs are reeeeeally expensive and they aren't worth it unless you're actually running a long/longer travel set up. And if you are running LT, then be prepared for mucho maintenance because LT done right is a whole new ballgame. So, for regular setup OEM LCA all the way.

...and that's the thing. I don't want to make the 4Runner into something I can't daily drive AND go on adventures with. Can I bomb down a desert washboard at 90+ MPH? ...er... I mean I could, but would I?

No.

I'm okay with that. I do want to upgrade the suspension, but that isn't in the budget right now and LT is really something I would only do to a dedicated Adventure or Trail Rig. This thing still fits in my 7' Garage Door and gets a respectable 15 MPG on my daily commute - even with mud tires and a ton of weight.

I am super tempted to get Aftermarket LCAs, and the SuperPros are a little less than OEM. However, the OEM LCAs have made it 175,000 miles without any issues. I am replacing them out of an abundance of caution and experience.
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I would stick with OEM. Anything else is going to be a lot of extra maintenance and not worth it without LT. Replaced mine when a bushing broke at around 240k miles, IIRC.

You're most likely going to have to cut the old ones out, so have a sawzall and a couple of new metal blades handy, and buy all new OEM eccentrics and bolts. You may not need them all, but you don't want to be waiting on parts if you do.

It would be an ideal time to do cam gussets. Mark your current alignment cams with a paint pen so you can get your alignment back to where it was.
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I would stick with OEM. Anything else is going to be a lot of extra maintenance and not worth it without LT. Replaced mine when a bushing broke at around 240k miles, IIRC.

You're most likely going to have to cut the old ones out, so have a sawzall and a couple of new metal blades handy, and buy all new OEM eccentrics and bolts. You may not need them all, but you don't want to be waiting on parts if you do.

It would be an ideal time to do cam gussets. Mark your current alignment cams with a paint pen so you can get your alignment back to where it was.
Yeah... I have an old sawsall at the ready for this project... but I need to add the cam bolts to my list. Good call on that.

...and a new paint pen.
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I got another question for you guys...

Front Wheel Bearings...

Listening to the noise this morning on the way into work, I realized that this could be caused by the wheel bearing itself. I still think the Driver's Side CV Axle needs to be replaced (leaking boot), and I might be able to rebuild it with a kit to keep it as a backup.

So, when you guys redo a wheel bearing - do you buy the full assembly or do you try to rebuild/repack the bearings?
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I have much more experience working on my 2010 Tacoma, but if you are in there you might look at the front diff driver's side needle bearing. ECGS makes a bushing that I needed to replace on my Taco.

I had also replaced my wheel bearings at around 120K miles. Driver's side went bad, but I did both. Sure wish I did the ECGS at the same time.
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I have much more experience working on my 2010 Tacoma, but if you are in there you might look at the front diff driver's side needle bearing. ECGS makes a bushing that I needed to replace on my Taco.

I had also replaced my wheel bearings at around 120K miles. Driver's side went bad, but I did both. Sure wish I did the ECGS at the same time.
so I've read about this, but I'm not sure that I'm having this problem. My front differential was out recently (12/20) to have the Nitro Gear 4.56 gears installed, but the noise was there before hand.

Interestingly enough, it is only when I hit bumps (hard) or turning left (even slightly). That's why I'm leaning towards the bearings.
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so I've read about this, but I'm not sure that I'm having this problem. My front differential was out recently (12/20) to have the Nitro Gear 4.56 gears installed, but the noise was there before hand.

Interestingly enough, it is only when I hit bumps (hard) or turning left (even slightly). That's why I'm leaning towards the bearings.
The diff bearings rumble or make a cyclical whub, whub whub type noise under 50 mph, which goes away when in 4WD. Sometimes it's confused for tire noise (I thought that for some time with mine). In turns, though, it's probably not that.
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The diff bearings rumble or make a cyclical whub, whub whub type noise under 50 mph, which goes away when in 4WD. Sometimes it's confused for tire noise (I thought that for some time with mine). In turns, though, it's probably not that.
Yeah... the noise I have is a squeal/squeak pitch only turning left or hitting bumps. Even with the Kumho MT71s I don't have that much rumble noise, and it sounds the same in 2WD and 4WD.

...at least I can take one thing off the list!
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