I had leather seats in an F150 and one day put a towel on the seat after putting my boat on the trailer with wet shorts. Even with a towel the leather was ruined. I’ve owned leather since, but not in a truck. I’ll never have leather in any sort of recreation vehicle other than a sports car. Even then I prefer fake leather or cloth.

With the PRO suspension no KDSS is needed.
It’s more stable and the truck feels more planted to the road than a KDSS equipped 4R.

Compared my PRO to my friend’s ORP with KDSS and the PRO can do tight interstate exits faster by about 10mph.

LOL......I'm not sure many people will agree with your statement..

That wasn't my experience when test driving all the models extensively. Plus the KDSS had more axle articulation off-road.

I also have a very good handling sports car, so I do know what a good handling car feels like.

You can't put KDSS on the Pro ether way. That's the big difference between a OR and Pro.

The Pro is a stable truck and has a full fixed sway bar so its going to handle fine.
Is KDSS needed? Depends, for a top heavy 4R (roof top tent and the like) KDSS is going to handle much better. Also for a parkway driver it will/should handle the curves better. I also like the articulation you get from KDSS, though it's not an advantage over the PRO.

Unless you are testing on a closed test track with a experienced race car driver and using the exact same tires i think ill trust the experts and majority on the advantages of KDSS.

I personally have felt a decent difference in handling with KDSS, especially on high speed slightly bumpy and curvy roads. But i have also felt the difference when off roading not having the PRO's extra clearance.

KDSS undoubtedly handles better, but I drove two before I bought my non-KDSS and was able to get them to both make suspension noise that I’d prefer to not listen to. I assume it would get worse over time and I’ll be replacing parts because I cannot stand loose or noisy suspensions.

I got them to rattle pulling in a rough curb entrance at a 45 degree angle. The one I bough without KDSS made no noises ever during the drive, and I was trying pretty hard.

That's fine.
There are reasons to buy an ORP over a Pro (the most common would be the $8-10K in savings) but KDSS shouldn't be one of them.

We did a direct comparison and at the end swapped trucks for a week. Both my friend (who owns the ORP + KDSS) came to the same conclusion and we both reached way higher speeds in tight curves with the PRO.

Not sure if owning a good handling sports car makes a direct comparison between two trucks more believable...but I own a mid engine Porsche two seater that I also drive on race tracks to check that box for you.

That must have been fun/cool.

Curious, same tire and specifications? The majority of handling is in the tires. I could probably double my cornering capabilities with the right tire.

The full sway bar on the PRO will always give 100% so there is some consistency advantages there.

I guess we'll agree to disagree.

Your signature is why I mentioned the sports car. I also drive on racetracks in my sports car.

lol..sure buddy.

Pictured is a TRD Off Road with Toytec suspension , Nitto Ridge Grappler tires and added the TRD Pro grill. If you plan on changing out significant components of the TRD Pro save your upgrade cost and invest it in the aftermarket upgrades. Purely my opinion.

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1. Buy a TRD PRO.
2. Strip off all of the TRD PRO parts except for the grill and badges.
3. Install a high dollar Fox, King, or Icon suspension.
4. Install SCS wheels
5. Install Gobi rack.
6. Drive around to make other people pissed off is priceless.

4RUNNER: TRD PRO vs OFF-ROAD w/KDSS - YouTube

Lol, yeah Toyota puts on KDSS to increase body roll and reduce handling performance. I hear ya ;)

Let's see those slalom or skidpad g numbers!

No, Toyota puts on KDSS to decrease body roll and improve handling performance over non KDSS 4Runners without the PRO suspension and shocks.

Both KDSS and the PRO suspension improve handling performance over other 4Runners. They just do it in different ways and I experienced the pro doing it a bit better.