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Old 09-14-2021, 08:10 AM #16
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I live by the Cottonwood Canyons, and can tell you that sometimes they can be treacherous. There are also Traction Laws that are enforced if conditions are bad. Blizzak DMV2's are great if you don't want to miss a powder day.

I'm running Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015's. They are 3PMSF rated, and do better than KO2's IME. Better wet traction than Duratracs. Better than Defender LTX M/S tires (which are just M+S rated). They do better than lots of tires I've tried over the years. But they are not dedicated snow tires like the Blizzak DMV2's.

The road to Powder Mountain is great on a Sportbike in summer.
The more I think about this- the more I'm leaning towards the 3PMSF tire. Living in NC we don't get a lot of snow, but I do take the 4Runner off road occasionally and this type of tire would be more useful in my opinion.

So would this setup get me to the resorts in BCC/LCC during a storm? Do you feel that with these I would still need chains (prolly safer) with a big dump? Do you have the LT one? What size are you running?

I'm sure the PM road is a blast with that bike!

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The more I think about this- the more I'm leaning towards the 3PMSF tire. Living in NC we don't get a lot of snow, but I do take the 4Runner off road occasionally and this type of tire would be more useful in my opinion.
This was my thought. Living in NC you rarely get snow and when you do you stay home because they don't treat the roads and everything becomes ice and everyone wrecks. Nothing beats a dedicated snow tire in the snow, but A 3PMS AT would be ideal for you. They'll be relatively quiet and comfortable on the road and offer plenty of traction in the snow. They are a 365 day a year tire, so no need for two sets once your others wear out...or you sell them. You'll have confidence to take them on the beach or go wheeling in NC with them too, something a dedicated snow tire won't handle well. There are tons of threads out there on them in which you can make your own opinions on. I am a huge fan KO2s. They are fantastic in the snow.

BFG KO2s
Falken Wildpeak AT3W
Toyo OC AT3
Nitto Ridge Grappler

These are the top choices at the moment. Toyota people love the Falkens and historically they are cheaper, although everything is about the same at the current time.
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The more I think about this- the more I'm leaning towards the 3PMSF tire. Living in NC we don't get a lot of snow, but I do take the 4Runner off road occasionally and this type of tire would be more useful in my opinion.

So would this setup get me to the resorts in BCC/LCC during a storm? Do you feel that with these I would still need chains (prolly safer) with a big dump? Do you have the LT one? What size are you running?

I'm sure the PM road is a blast with that bike!
I had a long reply typed out, hit submit and my internet was out. Reply lost.

So, short and to the point: Yes, I've used them extensively in snow. They are not a dedicated snow tire like the Blizzak, but they do pretty well. They do great in rain. I like them better as an all-around tire than BFG KO2's, Defender LTX M/S, Falken Wildpeak AT3W's, Duratracs, and the list goes on.

I am running LT265/70R17 E. I wanted the extra durability of the 10 ply-rated tires, for 4wd trails.

I have no complaints so far.

As for the old hopped-up 'Busa, I love that thing. It's my favorite bike of all time. We also have a new stock '22 'Busa, and three other sportbikes as well. The old hot rod is the most fun.
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I've had the chance to compare winter tires back to back living in the Sierras. The Audi with Blizzaks was great, until the snow got deep. The Defender with Duratracs was equal to the Audi w/Blizzaks on everything but ice. I have no idea what people mean about Duratracs in wet conditions, never had a problem, but as usual, YMMV.
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I had a long reply typed out, hit submit and my internet was out. Reply lost.

So, short and to the point: Yes, I've used them extensively in snow. They are not a dedicated snow tire like the Blizzak, but they do pretty well. They do great in rain. I like them better as an all-around tire than BFG KO2's, Defender LTX M/S, Falken Wildpeak AT3W's, Duratracs, and the list goes on.

I am running LT265/70R17 E. I wanted the extra durability of the 10 ply-rated tires, for 4wd trails.

I have no complaints so far.
Well these sound like a good way to go, plus I can get a good deal on them. About 145 for P rating and about 185 for the LT.

I would think the LT would be somewhat harsher on the road- is that safe to say? Since I really donít do much rocky 4wd excursions with my 4Runner, Iíll prolly go with the P rated tire.
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Well these sound like a good way to go, plus I can get a good deal on them. About 145 for P rating and about 185 for the LT.

I would think the LT would be somewhat harsher on the road- is that safe to say? Since I really donít do much rocky 4wd excursions with my 4Runner, Iíll prolly go with the P rated tire.
They are firmer riding than the OEM Dunlops, but not horribly so. Just be aware that the P-rated tire has a slightly milder tread pattern, and shallower tread depth.

If I didn't need/want the extra durability of the LT tire for 4wd trails, I'd go with the P-rated version.
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Duratracs! Also my wildpeaks were insane in the snow, theyíre great tires for snow.


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I just got a set of Falken Rubitrek's for my incoming GX 460.

I would have probably just went with the Wildpeak's, however, they've starting importing them from China too and I don't want Chinese tires.

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So I ended up getting the Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015. Got a very good deal on Amazon that made the decision a little easier. I'm sure that all the tires that were recommended would do what I'm looking for, but in the end saving about $200 made the decision easier.

Mounted and balanced the tires Saturday and put them on the 4Runner yesterday. Drove around some and everything seems great. No vibrations with speeds up to 80 and very minimal road noise- if any. They do feel a little squirmy, but that's to be expected with full tread- it wasn't bad at all, just noticed it.

I'll leave them on for a few more days and make sure all is good before setting them aside and saving them for the trip in February.

Thanks again for all the input- this forum rocks. I did put in new TPMS, so now I'll look into getting those programmed and setup. Been searching the forum and it seems kind of easy, but maybe just more of a PITA. I did paint the sensor ID on the inside of each wheel- so that should help.

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Congrats, did you go with the P or LT? The LT starts at 18/32nds, so they do have deeper tread than lots of tires. The squirm only lasted for a couple hundred miles in my case. Rain-grooved concrete highways is the only place I ever noticed it.
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Congrats, did you go with the P or LT? The LT starts at 18/32nds, so they do have deeper tread than lots of tires. The squirm only lasted for a couple hundred miles in my case. Rain-grooved concrete highways is the only place I ever noticed it.
went with P- just notice the squirm when doing more evasive steering inputs- but again I'm probably more aware of these things due to car racing
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went with P- just notice the squirm when doing more evasive steering inputs- but again I'm probably more aware of these things due to car racing
Maybe. I've raced motorcycles, and have a sportscar which has seen track time.

There's no question that a tall sidewall A/T mounted on a relatively heavy BOF SUV, will not have the precise response of a low-profile performance tire on a light sportscar.

I hope the Yoko's work well for you.
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