09-16-2021, 11:48 AM
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buy new 4R now or wait for redesign?
Hi all,
I drive 2011 4R, had it since new, 11 years next month.
I had 96 4R before for many years. Love them.
The 2011 is getting old, I could drive it few more years, but I'll have to replace it within 2-3 years. In Ontario, Canada they rust a lot and I have to have reliable vehicle for my long trips into the outdoors.
The question is buy now or wait until redesign which is expected for 2023?
I am quite happy with the current one, the only reason to wait would be better fuel consumption, reportedly they plan 2.4 Turbo and 7-8 speed transmission.
OTOH, most things don't get better with redesigns these days. Some people don't like turbo engines. I plan to keep it for 10 or more years.
What do you think?
BTW, 2 of my neighbors had their 4r and highlander stolen TWICE within the last 2 years. Both had smart keys.
I am thinking of ordering Trail (which I understand has a regular key) for that reason only.
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09-16-2021, 12:55 PM
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I’d take a good long look at the before and after opinions of the Tacoma now vs the prior generation.
I would think it’s as good a predictor as any opinions around here.
I’m curious if the new Taco has a better interior build quality than before. That’s the real weak point in my 4Runner. I’d take a quirky drivetrain like the Taco has if I could get an interior that isn’t noisy.
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09-16-2021, 01:15 PM
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So based on what I've heard about the new 2023, looks like it possibly wont be made in Japan anymore. They're getting rid of the 4.0L V6 for a turbo charged 2.4L 4 cylinder and possibly adding a hybrid trim. Depends how important gas mileage and resale value is for you. I'm considering getting the 2022 myself as it will be the last of the Gen 5 and should the 2023 tank or have alot of bugs (alot of toyota first year models tend to have in my experience) then the resale value of the Gen 5 should stay/go up. If you can afford it, what I would do is get the 2022 now, wait and see how the 2023 is received and reviewed. The reason why Toyota never changed anything for the 5th gen is because it was reliable and holds its value. I'm sure the new ones will do well too but hardcore 4runner fans might be turned off by the fact it might be made in the USA and will have a turbo that "could" affect reliability down the road.
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09-16-2021, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by h&t
Hi all,
The question is buy now or wait until redesign which is expected for 2023?
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Wait until we actually know what the next generation offers to make your decision. No point making the decision now based solely on keyboard warrior conjecture.
We will know what's coming next before your opportunity to buy the existing generation is lost.
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09-16-2021, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bmnorm2
Wait until we actually know what the next generation offers to make your decision. No point making the decision now based solely on keyboard warrior conjecture.
We will know what's coming next before your opportunity to buy the existing generation is lost.
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This is not likely. COVID pandemic created shortage of many things, 4runners is one of them, esp. Trail trim. As I said, I am speficially interested in Trail due to regular key and no Push Button start. It probably sounds crazy to a lot of people, but looks like I live in the centre of Toyota stealing universe.
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09-16-2021, 02:39 PM
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One thing you know for sure you'll be getting with the current (gen-5) model, is a vehicle that will last 20 years and go 500,000 miles with basic maintenance.....I'd rather have a bird in the hand, instead of two in the bush! If the gen-6 proves to be a dud, gen-5 stock is going to go way up.
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09-16-2021, 03:00 PM
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Who knows if the 6th gen is going to be watered down offroad car to satisfy a growing customer base. So many people want a 4runner because there is a stigma against minivans/cross overs, but then they complain about mpg, stiff ride, ease of access. Etc. So manufacturers make cars softer. Plus the move to turdbos in gas engines.
Look what happened to the path finder, LC, Cherokee. Blazer, explorer
If you like the way the 5th gen is now buy it. We're living in the salad days.
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09-16-2021, 03:20 PM
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Now, I love the 5th gen.
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09-16-2021, 03:24 PM
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There’s going to be a 2021 with 9,000 miles on it in my town tomorrow. Trading on a 2022 off-road Frontier. Just got off the phone.
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09-16-2021, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Forgetful
Who knows if the 6th gen is going to be watered down offroad car to satisfy a growing customer base. So many people want a 4runner because there is a stigma against minivans/cross overs, but then they complain about mpg, stiff ride, ease of access. Etc. So manufacturers make cars softer. Plus the move to turdbos in gas engines.
Look what happened to the path finder, LC, Cherokee. Blazer, explorer
If you like the way the 5th gen is now buy it. We're living in the salad days.
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I tend to agree. My only concern would be gas price going WAAAAY UP.
Mind you gas here today is close to CAD 1.40/L ( you convert it )
What's 'salad days'?
BTW, thanks everyone who provided their thoughts so far, helpful.
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09-16-2021, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by h&t
I tend to agree. My only concern would be gas price going WAAAAY UP.
Mind you gas here today is close to CAD 1.40/L ( you convert it )
What's 'salad days'?
BTW, thanks everyone who provided their thoughts so far, helpful.
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Do the math on how many tanks of gas you buy a year and getting 2-3 mpg better. The math is never there unless you change categories.
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09-16-2021, 04:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by h&t
I tend to agree. My only concern would be gas price going WAAAAY UP.
Mind you gas here today is close to CAD 1.40/L ( you convert it )
What's 'salad days'?
BTW, thanks everyone who provided their thoughts so far, helpful.
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Gas here is about 1/L usd.
I'll skip coffee and desert 2x a week and keep paying buying petrol until it's 3x the price. EV doesn't work with my lifestyle yet.
Salad days is a Shakespeare idiom- carefree and blissful times. 5th gen 4runner, before Toyota, safety nazis, and the EPA destroy the it.
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09-16-2021, 04:08 PM
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i did my math in comparison to my car. did not make sense so i bought the 4runner.
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Do the math on how many tanks of gas you buy a year and getting 2-3 mpg better. The math is never there unless you change categories.
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09-16-2021, 04:13 PM
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Buy the current Gen 4Runner, even if you absolutely need to have the 6th gen when it’s released the value of the 5th gen will remain high. I bought my 2016 for 42k in late 2016 and it’s still worth 34k according to KBB.
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09-16-2021, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Forgetful
Gas here is about 1/L usd.
I'll skip coffee and desert 2x a week and keep paying buying petrol until it's 3x the price. EV doesn't work with my lifestyle yet.
Salad days is a Shakespeare idiom- carefree and blissful times. 5th gen 4runner, before Toyota, safety nazis, and the EPA destroy the it.
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Interesting, never heard the salad days phrase, thanks.
I am already skipping deserts and making my own coffee, but I get the point.
EV won't work for me either.
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