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Old 09-28-2021, 11:07 PM #31
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A different approach...

So if you are 90% on road...how about this idea. Buy an extra set of rims, stock, or something you don't blow too much money on and pick up a set of A/T tires that will fit your occasional use. I plan on doing the same when I travel for grouse hunts. Fire lanes, gravel, dirt, unapproved trails, logging trails that M/S tires can't compete. I've been on some trails where the deeper I've gone the more I realize that once stuck.....ain't nobody coming to help. Thats not a good feeling so thats why I decided to go this route. Traveling to and from I'll put 1000mi (highway) on that set, but once in the woods that's the pay off. Confidence instead of panic...next upgrade will be a front mounted winch.
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I have mixed feelings on KO2s. quiet, but didn't mix well in the wet roads here. On the highway in the rain, they're not too bad. Ended up selling to a friend that uses them on his truck that is used to tow his boat. He has the same experience in the wet.
That was my experience with the T/A's from years ago. I had them on an XJ and they were slippery. That's the main reason why I have some reservations about the KO2.
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So if you are 90% on road...how about this idea. Buy an extra set of rims, stock, or something you don't blow too much money on and pick up a set of A/T tires that will fit your occasional use. I plan on doing the same when I travel for grouse hunts. Fire lanes, gravel, dirt, unapproved trails, logging trails that M/S tires can't compete. I've been on some trails where the deeper I've gone the more I realize that once stuck.....ain't nobody coming to help. Thats not a good feeling so thats why I decided to go this route. Traveling to and from I'll put 1000mi (highway) on that set, but once in the woods that's the pay off. Confidence instead of panic...next upgrade will be a front mounted winch.

This is the right way to do it imho
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Between this forum, the FJ forum and Reddit, the majority of my decisions are influenced somehow by the masses more than anything else. I know the some of the FB groups probably have good info but I will literally do anything I can to avoid going to that dark place, lol.
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The newer Toyo AT3 are very nice, work well in wet/dry snowflake rating and quiet. Couldn't pay me to accept a set of KO2s...horrible in wet. Ridge Grapplers tend to chunk when used hard and not good in snow...but good otherwise. The Falkens went to a lesser quality China rubber compound recently, 'used' to be a great tire.
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The thing about all tire opinions is that there is no baseline for the experience people are describing.

I used to have a square body suburban that everyone borrowed to go camping, move stuff, burning man, ski at Tahoe, whatever. Everyone came back with a different opinion about how it handled, and what it was capable of. This truck had some sort of generic pizza cutter tires with mild tread that seemed ok in the snow.

For a while, the steering wheel screws were loose, kept meaning to fix them, but, it meant there was a lot of slop in the steering. It was fine and manageable to me, but from others:

- it was a death trap, thought they were going to die. Turns out this person was driving 90mph in a 20 year old truck on a tight two lane in Nevada.

- Great in the snow, drove right up the mountain passing all the other SUVs.

- Terrible in the snow, scared the hell out of me.

- Great in the rain, snow and ice for such a long wheelbase (experienced east coast driver that knew their s**t)

- Terrible in the rain (again, a speeder, slow the f**k down, it's a truck)


So, final thoughts:

- each person's opinion is dependent on their skill, experience, and baseline fear level that they can live with

- you can't compare yourself and your experiences with people you don't know

- in general, most tires within a certain category are the same. Dedicated snow tires are the best in the snow and ice, dedicated mud tires are best in the mud, all-terrain tires are a compromise, road tires are a compromise...

- slow the f**k down in the rain and snow, how hard is that?

- if you live in an area that you have to worry about ice, a Subaru with blizzaks will serve you better than a 4runner. Sorry.

- be honest with yourself, do you want your truck to look badass with aggressive tires? Or are you truly being functional. TBH, if you were truly functional you'd have a Subaru.
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The thing about all tire opinions is that there is no baseline for the experience people are describing.

- each person's opinion is dependent on their skill, experience, and baseline fear level that they can live with

- you can't compare yourself and your experiences with people you don't know

- in general, most tires within a certain category are the same. Dedicated snow tires are the best in the snow and ice, dedicated mud tires are best in the mud, all-terrain tires are a compromise, road tires are a compromise...
All true. It's why all threads like this are essentially pointless. But people seem to enjoy the exercise, pointless though it may be, so I've learned not to rain on their parade.
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- if you live in an area that you have to worry about ice, a Subaru with blizzaks will serve you better than a 4runner. Sorry.

- be honest with yourself, do you want your truck to look badass with aggressive tires? Or are you truly being functional. TBH, if you were truly functional you'd have a Subaru.
Or youd have a Limited with H4F setting on the dial Paralyzed by indecision on tires

Subaru has 4 different AWD systems. Just pick one / any of them are better?


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Wildpeak AT3W. I off road all the time and these tires will handle anything. I understand you're not looking for anything hardcore. I also like to drive aggressively on pavement and curvy roads. These tires have no road noise and handle like a sports car when inflated to the correct pressure. Very strong sidewalls with no squishy roll feeling in heavy cornering. All around the best tire and the cheapest!!
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Wildpeak AT3W. I off road all the time and these tires will handle anything. I understand you're not looking for anything hardcore. I also like to drive aggressively on pavement and curvy roads. These tires have no road noise and handle like a sports car when inflated to the correct pressure. Very strong sidewalls with no squishy roll feeling in heavy cornering. All around the best tire and the cheapest!!

Are you running stock size?
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Yes 17" x 7
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You and me sound exactly alike. After researching since July I finally pulled the plug on Toyo Open Country ATIII tires. Stock size, P load. I got them installed last week Friday. So far everything feels identical to the stock Duellers they replaced. MPGs are still holding steady at 18 mixed highway/city. I don't hear them at all. Maybe a scosch when lumbering down my road at 25mph? Maybe!? My wife has great ears too (ughh) and she hasn't "MADE ANY COMMENTS" yet. I'll be taking my on some forest service roads a week from today.

My research led me to believe these were the correct choice due to:

price
balanced well (nightmare threads on certain tires I wanted to avoid)
aggressive looks
maintained MPGs/ on road manners
not loud or for that matter any louder than stock Duellers
65K warranty
toyota dealership had a buy 3 get 1 for $1. Out the door for $837 after tax. That included a standard balance and 4 wheel alignment. Plus new wiper blades for some odd reason?
I have zero shimmys or wobbles in the steering wheel so far. 200 miles ish. Thats city driving plus freeway (60-80mph).
and when it does snow for you these are 3PMSF rated.

i would seriously give these a look if i were you!!!
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Here is my thread on nearly the exact issue you're currently dealing with. I was in this boat less than a month ago!

Need Advice (Tires/Balancing)
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Didn't some folks on here say the ko2s were scary on wet roads? And how do they track at 70 mph?
If I were driving 95%+ on the road, highway manners and wet road traction would be top of the list for me.
I put the Michelin's on mine and I'm pretty happy with them. But yes, boring looking.
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The thing about all tire opinions is that there is no baseline for the experience people are describing.

So, final thoughts:

- each person's opinion is dependent on their skill, experience, and baseline fear level that they can live with

- you can't compare yourself and your experiences with people you don't know

- in general, most tires within a certain category are the same. Dedicated snow tires are the best in the snow and ice, dedicated mud tires are best in the mud, all-terrain tires are a compromise, road tires are a compromise...

- slow the f**k down in the rain and snow, how hard is that?

- if you live in an area that you have to worry about ice, a Subaru with blizzaks will serve you better than a 4runner. Sorry.

- be honest with yourself, do you want your truck to look badass with aggressive tires? Or are you truly being functional. TBH, if you were truly functional you'd have a Subaru.
I generally agree, but also - some of the comments in this thread, and others that I've read, add some confirmation to my experience. For example, I vaguely remember the T/A's being a bit slippery in the rain. TBF, that was probably 25 years ago. But I also remember choosing another brand to replace them because I didn't like something (was it the noise or the grip... can't remember for sure, but I think it was both). So I was already reluctant to choose KOs and a couple of comments in this thread confirmed it. Add the lack of support for the Revos, despite my own positive experience, made me reconsider them as well.

And Humble's point about outfitting my wife's car was dead on. I read that and thought, yeah, he's right. That's what I needed to hear.

So, to me, there's some value in these discussions. Also, no car enthusiasts is ever going to completely dismiss aesthetics. I've downgraded it on my priority list, but would never leave it off. The Subaru, while it may be completely competent, just doesn't appeal to me.

And finally (!), considering how to reply to this has made me more confident in the decision. So, in my case, this thread AND your reply really helped!
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