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Old 12-07-2021, 09:24 AM #16
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I really like the new Explorers but in my eyes they are more of a car than a SUV due to the lower ride height, ground clearance and AWD. I wanted real 4wd and offroad mod options so I went with the Runner. The gadgets are nice but I can add what I want to my Runner. The extra power is nice but the turbos are more parts to fail and I'm not driving a race vehicle.

I do agree that it is more car-like than the 4Runner but with a trailer tow of 5400 pounds and a GVWR over 6500 pounds it is a truck that's for sure. It is a RWD platform and thats says a lot and one of only a couple available now. After enjoying the content my wife Acura TLX AWD has and seeing it on the Explorer/Aviator and many other SUVs in it class, the 4Runner has really shown its age and how much Toyota has ignored it. Driving on two tracks is about the extent of my off-roading like 99% of 4Runners I bet. I do use the truck to haul things often. I do like the few inches of height advantage the 4Runner has, and its commanding view, but I would gladly trade that for better fuel economy, better on-road behavior and up to date features packages.

I'm not concerned about turbo engines any longer. Ford won LeMans with their twin-turbocharged Ford EcoBoost V6 engine 647 hp / 550 lb⋅ft. It was a truck engine with significant amount of production parts in it. They know what they are doing.

I believe the Explorer/Aviator AWD system is a 4WD system unlike the fwd-car based systems.

In 2020 the Explorer was a 1st year vehicle so I didnt considered then.
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Yet, you bought a '20 4runner... I would think you would know exactly why people buy the 4runner. I could have bought whatever I wanted even at higher price range (x5, Q7, Cayenne) or any of the American options in the 50k price range.

Yet, I bought my '21 4runner fully aware of it's outdated drivetrain and features... So, why did you? There were plenty of other options with way better drivetrain and feature in 2020.
I seriously considered the European imports as well as other Japanese manufacturers however most do not have a 6500 GVWR rating. They are all significantly more expensive. Infinity lol.

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Those compare more to the highlander. A lot of 4runner owners should have bought highlanders imo...
Nope. Reread the post and check the specs. Explorer/Aviator are REAR WHEEL DRIVE PLATFORMS.

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Do Jeeps have automated steering, reverse monitoring, adaptive cruise control, front collision avoidance, etc? Do you think jeep owners complain that the next-gen jeep looks just like a 2002 jeep? (These are real questions, btw)
Except for pointing out that Toyotas are generally weird looking who said anything about looks compared to years?



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Real question. If you were looking for a feature rich, independent front and rear suspension, modern SUV. How the hell did you end up in a 4runner?

Like every other thread you've started on how much you dislike your 4runner, take advantage of the market and sell it. Move on.
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ah, i should have been paying more attention. The troll of trolls.. A troll that doesn't know its a troll?
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Have 4Runners EVER been on the bleeding edge of technology? Hell, my 2015 4Runner didn't have automatic headlights (neither does my 2019), whereas my 2005 F150 did. If anyone buys a 4Runner to have the latest tech, good fuel economy, 10-speed transmission, etc. then they are barking up the wrong tree.
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Huh. If I were to go to a Ford dealership, only thing I would be looking at is a Bronco Squatch. None* of that cuckhold shit you mentioned matters to me. Obviously you should have purchased a Highlander or Rav4.
I want to know about diff lockers, gear options, wheel travel, RTI scores, skid plates, clearance angles, sway bar disconnects, transfer case gearing, tires
*Except engine, the T4r motor is reliable but pathetically underpowered by modern standards.


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fan boys lol

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As much as I would love to disagree with the OP he is actually partially right. The 5th gen 4runner is a pretty terrible option for what people are looking for these days out of a modern "SUV". ie. 99% on asphalt and MAYBE 1% on graded dirt roads. This includes all of those fancy Instagram "Overlanders"

Just about any other option out there in the mid sized SUV land has better tech, is more efficient, is faster and is way more comfortable. The 4runner is only good as an offroad biased platform but the majority of owners tragically don't use it for that. They buy it for the image and suffer through its shortcomings.

So to the OP, go get your Ford Explorer it suits you much better. I mean police departments, municipalities, rental fleets all love them. Go do you
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fan boys lol

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By fan boys you mean...people who bought a 4Runner without expecting it to be something it's not?

Can't wait for the next thread:

"I can't believe how slow the 4Runner is, look at the powertrains on the Urus and Cayenne Turbo! Wake up Toyota!"
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ah, i should have been paying more attention. The troll of trolls.. A troll that doesn't know its a troll?
troll? idk, just seems full of it. I know a troll, i am a troll
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I bet most people who look at these Fords do not cross shop with a 4Runner, and if they will they will quickly dismiss it just because it doesn't have all the techy features. Personally if I wanted something full of tech with more power and better fuel economy, I'd be looking at the Lexus brand. My wife drove an RX350 before we got her the 4Runner, and yea she lost some of the cool features and better gas mileage, but loves the 4Runner even more and I'm glad we made the switch.
Yes 4Runner is old, but it is tried tested and true to its roots, awesome capable machine and I would never look to trade it in for something else, especially a Ford lol unless you love being at the shop on a monthly basis!
Next time compare apples to apples.
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Nope. Reread the post and check the specs. Explorer/Aviator are REAR WHEEL DRIVE PLATFORMS.


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What exactly does that mean in in the scheme of thing? Highlander still has a rear diff. GX460 is AWD only so it doesn't compare to a 4runner then?

Explorer is a:
unibody
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NO 4lo transfer case. Seriously is this right? How do you even compare them then lol.
Full of fluff tech to break.
Hybrid option

It's for soccer dads like the highlander.
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The reason that the current Explorer is more car like is because it's a crossover, and if I wanted a crossover then I would've bought one. I wanted a body on frame SUV which is one of the main reasons I bought a 4Runner. There may be a few features that I wish my 4Runner had but overall it's pretty much the exact vehicle that I want it to be. My previous '13 FJ Cruiser was my first Toyota and it sold me on the brand and platform. I will be sad day if the next generation 4Runner becomes a crossover like so many of its older competitors.

I've had several Ford vehicles in the past including 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation Explorers. I really liked the 1st & 2nd gens but since I've been a Toyota owner I really don't have a desire to own a Ford again.
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Toyota is the world's largest auto mfg and what I'm hearing from folks is that Toyota can only do reliability, and nothing else. That's crazy to think that. Power, fuel economy, reliability, technology all do not have to be mutually exclusive. If we keep accepting mediocrity, then Toyota will continue to deliver mediocrity.

The 4R is the best choice for my purposes, but it's far from perfect.
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I do agree that it is more car-like than the 4Runner but with a trailer tow of 5400 pounds and a GVWR over 6500 pounds it is a truck that's for sure. It is a RWD platform and thats says a lot and one of only a couple available now. After enjoying the content my wife Acura TLX AWD has and seeing it on the Explorer/Aviator and many other SUVs in it class, the 4Runner has really shown its age and how much Toyota has ignored it. Driving on two tracks is about the extent of my off-roading like 99% of 4Runners I bet. I do use the truck to haul things often. I do like the few inches of height advantage the 4Runner has, and its commanding view, but I would gladly trade that for better fuel economy, better on-road behavior and up to date features packages.

I'm not concerned about turbo engines any longer. Ford won LeMans with their twin-turbocharged Ford EcoBoost V6 engine 647 hp / 550 lb⋅ft. It was a truck engine with significant amount of production parts in it. They know what they are doing.

I believe the Explorer/Aviator AWD system is a 4WD system unlike the fwd-car based systems.

In 2020 the Explorer was a 1st year vehicle so I didnt considered then.
That's only 400 more lbs than a Runner. None of the vehicles mentioned are any good for towing anyway.

As far as the Runner being ignored, dealers can't keep them on the lot so that in itself says quite a bit. There's a lot to be said for less complicated vehicles. Some people just don't want all that garbage. I don't need to control my vent positioning through a touchscreen and I don't need massaging seats with 97 way adjustability all through the same touchscreen.

That ecopoop in the LeMans car doesn't have the emissions equipment street engine do so there's less to capture heat and less to go wrong.

The AWD in the sploder is just AWD. There's no mention even a locking center diff for 4wd.
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fan boys lol

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We know what we bought, apparently you didn't. Next time I'm doing a trail here in Colorado, I'll think about how my life would be so much better in a Ford Explorer.
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I recently went to a couple Ford dealerships and Lincoln dealerships to look at the Explorer and the Aviator. I was really impressed.

The 5th Gen with its bad paint and glass, awful color selection, terrible fuel economy (19 mpg on the HWY wth ?), 1994 technology 4 wheel drive, lack of a reverse monitor, no automatic steering, I could go on and on, is sad. After seeing these Fords and Lincolns I cant see why most people would even consider a 4Runner anymore. Look out Toyota.

To be clear, the 2020-2022 Explorer and the Aviator are what TODAYS 4Runner should be NOW and the 6th Gen 4Runner must more. Who knows when or if it will even come out. I predict the new 4Runner will be a flop if it falls short of this. The 4Runner is way way behind in features compared to the other SUVs in its class. The next generation will need to be a huge leap forward to even be competitive.

If I was buying a new vehicle today I would probably buy an Explorer XLT or above. Aviators are beautiful vehicles however they are more expensive.

The Lincoln Aviator is extraordinarily nice.

https://www.lincoln.com/luxury-suvs/aviator/

The list Explorer’s feature are astounding

https://www.ford.com/suvs/explorer/

Here are some highlights:

*RWD platform with AWD and a Torsen limited slip rear
*Independent suspension on all 4 corners
*Huge aluminum castings at the mounting points for the unibody
*Aluminum hood and other light weight and high strength materials
*5300 - 5600 pound towing capacity
*More interior space
*Off-road option
*Greater than 6500 GVWR
*Nice paint and colors
*Huge Navigation/Info screen
*Electric Steering
*Nice seats with plenty of leg room
*Center consoles is too wide imho
*Styling is far more appealing than the 4R/Lexus stuff.
*Less expensive than the 4Runner
*LED everything
*10 speed transmission

D.I. 2.3 liter turbo
300 @ 5,500 rpm
310 @ 3,500 rpm
5300 pound towing cap.
21/28 mpg RWD, 20/27 AWD

3.0 liter Twin Turbo
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18/26 mpg RWD, 18/24 AWD

3.3L Hybrid
318 @ 6,500 rpm
322 @ 2,500 rpm
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I've always wondered why you didn't buy a Highlander. It's always seemed like that was more like the kind of vehicle you should be driving based on your own preferences for independent rear suspension crossover vehicles. 4R seems like an odd choice.
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fan boys lol

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You seem dissatisfied with what you bought. The obvious answer is to sell what you have, and buy what you want.

I think everyone, but apparently you, understands what the 4Runner is, and bought it for that reason.

We have numerous vehicles which fill various roles. The wife mainly drives a ridiculously fast CUV. It's fantastic on road. It's hard to beat as a mall-crawler, and does surprisingly well on the odd racetrack, but it's not going on any 4wd trails.

All our other vehicles do what we want them to, as does the 4Runner.

With used car values what they currently are, now's the time...
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