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Old 12-07-2021, 02:34 PM #31
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There are plenty of those though but you can't tell people a vehicle is better simply because you like it more or the solution works better for you.
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I've always wondered why you didn't buy a Highlander. It's always seemed like that was more like the kind of vehicle you should be driving based on your own preferences for independent rear suspension crossover vehicles. 4R seems like an odd choice.
The Highlander is a FWD car with 4 wheel drive added.

The 4Runner is a rear wheel drive based vehicle. That was one of my requirements. It also MUST have 6500 gvwr. I've posted that maybe a dozen times.
There is no excuse not to have 4 wheel independent suspension on a truck with only a 5000 pound trailer rating. Especially if it costs $50k like some 4R's do. Regardless of what some people may think here it is the better system for off-roading.
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By fan boys you mean...people who bought a 4Runner without expecting it to be something it's not?

Can't wait for the next thread:

"I can't believe how slow the 4Runner is, look at the powertrains on the Urus and Cayenne Turbo! Wake up Toyota!"

The next thread might be: "My 2020 4Runner Has 25k Miles and the Hood is Chipped and Rusting "
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The Highlander is a FWD car with 4 wheel drive added.

The 4Runner is a rear wheel drive based vehicle. That was one of my requirements. It also MUST have 6500 gvwr. I've posted that maybe a dozen times.
There is no excuse not to have 4 wheel independent suspension on a truck with only a 5000 pound trailer rating. Especially if it costs $50k like some 4R's do. Regardless of what some people may think here it is the better system for off-roading.
Do you think you can tell the difference between FWD and RWD biased crossovers? Pray tell, what is it that you think makes the RWD bias better?

I've already given you a lesson on load distribution and why solid rear axles work better for load on uneven surfaces. Not sure we need to cover it again. You don't go off road. So it's not meaningful for you. That's okay. But you bought the wrong car.

4Runner gvwr is 6,300lbs Max. Again you bought the wrong car.
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The Highlander is a FWD car with 4 wheel drive added.
The Explorer was FWD until just recently (2011-2019) but the Aviator was never FWD.
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The next thread might be: "My 2020 4Runner Has 25k Miles and Hood is Chipped and Rusting "
I'd prefer that thread over an "oMg my nearly vertical windshield has a CRACK!" thread
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I'm not seeing all this great reliability when it comes to body and interior as Ive said a dozen times here.

Ford sells 2-5 TIMES as many Explorers compared to Toyota and 4Runners.

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Consumer Reports doesn't rate the 4Runner very high either. If you want the best rating there you should be looking into the Kia Telluride.
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The Explorer was FWD until just recently (2011-2019) but the Aviator was never FWD.

Thats true. This latest generation is a lot better than the previous in many ways. I took an Aviator on a business trip when I worked for Ford. It was a vehicle by itself not a reskinned something. I didn' t really care much for it.
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Do you think you can tell the difference between FWD and RWD biased crossovers? Pray tell, what is it that you think makes the RWD bias better?

I've already given you a lesson on load distribution and why solid rear axles work better for load on uneven surfaces. Not sure we need to cover it again. You don't go off road. So it's not meaningful for you. That's okay. But you bought the wrong car.

4Runner gvwr is 6,300lbs Max. Again you bought the wrong car.
Do you not understand how important GRWR is?

Your so called " lesson" and "teaching" about sold axles be superior to independent was at the level of a high schooler. "Clownish pontification" is a better way to describe it. You couldn't do the math. I gave you direction on what needed to be done.

I bought a 4Runner in 2020. Now there are now a lot better options. The 5th Gen is severely lacking especially at the prices they are asking. The 6th Gen better be a whole lot better than the current Explorer/Aviator. Thats the point of this thread.
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Do you not understand how important GRWR is?

Your so called " lesson" and "teaching" about sold axles be superior to independent was at the level of a high schooler. "Clownish pontification" is a better way to describe it. You couldn't do the math. I gave you direction on what needed to be done.

I bought a 4Runner in 2020. Now there are now a lot better options. The 5th Gen is severely lacking especially at the prices they are asking. The 6th Gen better be a whole lot better than the current Explorer/Aviator. Thats the point of this thread.
I guess I don't understand how you MUST have 6,500 gvwr but also bought a SUV with a lower gvwr. Help me understand that.

I did my best to simplify the math on sold axle load distribution so you could understand it. And explained it in plain terms. I don't think you did any math. We can go review if you'd like.

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You want a car with big tires, you got a truck with extra seats. You bought the wrong car. That's okay. Resale is good. There's a billion crossovers to choose from. They have everything you're looking for in a car and none of the truck utility you don't like. Seems like an easy problem to solve.

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