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Old 12-11-2021, 03:27 PM #106
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I missed the days of having cable controlled throttle bodies for that instant response, hydraulic assisted steering for feeling the road, rowing through the gears in a manual car with solid shift linkages and not cables, knowing what every electrical connector did in the engine bay, and being able to diagnose every problem by sound, feel, or jumpering something.

So I bought a 1990s 5 speed Civic as a beater, threw some blizzaks on it, and actually enjoy driving it more than my 4runner.

All this new tech can be for the wifey and when I take my kid out.
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Happy to see at least one person here got the point of the thread.




I thought about buying a base model Jeep as a toy.



Subaru lol



my lol is lolíing.



If sharing my experiences and having critical thinking is ďstirring the potĒ ...



Go tell it to the neighbors dog.



It's not overheating Einstein. It's a warning light. It will derate until the temp comes down. Thats what they did when I was there instead of blowing parts all over the highway like some other manufacturers seem to think it's ok. I would tell you what part of the engine they monitored for the algorithm but you know everything so you must know which part it is all ready.
















So much fan boy butthurt



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Zero logic. All emotion. Who's butt hurt, home boy? (look in the mirror) ...it's you.
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Iím thinking you if you bump this thread almost a year later.
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I missed the days of having cable controlled throttle bodies for that instant response, hydraulic assisted steering for feeling the road, rowing through the gears in a manual car with solid shift linkages and not cables, knowing what every electrical connector did in the engine bay, and being able to diagnose every problem by sound, feel, or jumpering something.

So I bought a 1990s 5 speed Civic as a beater, threw some blizzaks on it, and actually enjoy driving it more than my 4runner.

All this new tech can be for the wifey and when I take my kid out.
I believe 4Runners use hydraulic power steering still as opposed to the newer electric power steering.
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The 4Runner has such good reliability because this 5th Gen has been around since 2010. Other vehicles have had multiple design iterations in that time span. This is the longest-serving generation of 4Runner in history. In addition, the engine and transmission it uses date to 2003. This means that pretty much EVERY. SINGLE. PROBLEM. that this vehicle has had has already occurred and been fixed. And even more so with the engine and transmission given they're older. The only difference with the engine I believe that for 2010, the engine got dual variable valve timing I think.

Now, in addition to all of the above, the 4Runner is built at the Tahara plant in Japan, which builds the Lexus vehicles and uses Takumi workers. Takami are workers with at least 60,000 hours experience (i.e. 25"to 30 or more years on the job). The 4Runner is built with the Lexus and my understanding is that it is actually a Lexus vehicle build quality-wise, just not luxury-wise, but that from a technical standpoint, it's a Lexus branded as a Toyota. So you have the best workers at one of the best auto plants building a vehicle where all the bugs design and production-wise have been ironed out. That's a great selling point.

Now my 4Runner is a 2023 Off-Road Premium, and Toyota has upgraded the tech in these over the last few years. There is what I call gimmicky tech and good tech. Gimmicky tech is things like auto lights,, rain sensing wipers, auto climate control,, etc...stuff that can be nice to have, but not that you really miss if not there. Now my '98 GMC Jimmy which the 4Runner blows away in every way possible, had automatic daytime running lamps and automatic headlamps. The 4Runner does not which I find a bit humorous, but that doesn't bother me. I don't mind having to flick the switch to turn on the lights. However, this 4Runner has some very nice features that I do love, namely the heated windshield wipers (that is a lifesaver in the winter when the wipers are frozen to the windshield), the heated side mirrors, the rear side windows also have the defroster wiring in them, the heated steering wheel (added for 2023) is very nice (heated steering wheels are NOT a gimmick as when the wheel is freezing and you need to drive, it is very nice to be able to grip a warm steering wheel!), the heated seats are nice too, I'd rate that somewhere between gimmicky and necessary. The thing is, with cloth seats, it's probably less necessary, but with the SofTex or leather seats, those get COLD in the winter, so being able to heat them has been very nice. Honestly though, I don't know why Toyota had heated seats but no heated wheel until the 2023 model, I mean if anything if I had to choose, I'd take a heated steering wheel over heated seats. You can wear long underwear or thermal lined pants if you need to deal with cold seats, but your hands are barren unless you wear gloves,, which makes steering more awkward.. The automatic high beams are a gimmicky feature and I don't use it. I do think as a Premium it should have come with dual zone climate control. This is not a gimmicky feature. It might seem like it, but when you can have warmer or cooler air blowing on you than the other person wants, it is actually quite handy. It isn't an issue for me as I mostly drive by myself but for a Premium, I think should have it. The 4Runner still uses Toyota's older infotainment system, but it now has Apple Carplay and Android Auto and Alexa capability, and also voice commands, and a backup camera. These systems I do think it is about time Toyota put in, as they are very handy. It is nice if you are driving and receive a text or a call, to just be able to hit a button and have the vehicle read the text off to you and/or hit a button and take the call. Things like Apple Carplay, Android Auto, nav system, and backup camera are not gimmicky tech features. Backup cameras are especially helpful for older people with back problems who can turn their heads and body as easily to look behind. Also love the powered seats and the ability to adjust the height of the seats as well. The powered moonroof is very nice, more a gimmicky feature though, ironically now this variant is apparently old-fashioned with these new panoramic sunroofs some of the newer vehicles have (where the whole roof is basically a giant glass panel). The rear wiper being mounted on top and underneath I think is wonderful for ice and snow as it doesn't get covered and frozen over. The vehicle also senses the key fob when I approach and has a sensor on the door handle, so all I need do is grab the door handle and it unlocks. When I close the door, it also has another sensor you touch that will then lock it. This is very handy and cool and super fancy to me. It also now has the push button start which is nice.

The touch screen is adequate, at 8 inches, and they've upgraded the driver instrument display with a bigger center screen from what I understand. Would be nice if the touch screen was ten inches, but eight is still good. I actually think it looks better than some of the GIGANTIC touch screens they're putting into some vehicles now. Some companies it looks awkward, others do it elegantly like the Ram 1500.

The fuel economy is lousy, but that it is from a VERY RELIABLE engine and transmission combination makes up for it. Power is plenty adequate for me. It is far more sporty (LOL) than my '98 Jimmy, now THAT thing was slow! I remember as a boy in the late 90s when 220 horsepower was considered powerful for a full-sized pickup truck, now 270 is considered underpowered.

Personally I think the interior to this thing is beautiful and seems very high-quality. It has nice big simple, CHUNKY, intuitive dials and BIG buttons for adjusting the climate controls and the SofTex seats and lining on the doors looks wonderful. I've seen lots of automotive reviewers say the interior seems "cheap" and "plasticky," but in comparison to my '98 Jimmy, which really had flimsy cheap plastic for the interior, this thing seems much better quality. I do wish they put some lighting for where the USB port is. Also wish it had at least two for the infotainment system in case one breaks.

There are thus far no rattles or anything and the suspension is smooth but does like to transmit every bump into the cabin. However this is by design as this is a 4Runner and an Off-Road variant at that, which from what I understand has a stiffer suspension. The 4Runner also has a solid rear axle, again terrible for on road driving, but much better for off-roading, and of course the old-fashioned body-on-frame design.

While the engine and transmission are dated, I do not consider the suspension and body design dated. Solid rear axle and body-on-frame are dated if meant for a primarily on-road vehicle, but for off-road, they are not dated at all but in fact more appropriate.

I saw in the first post to this thread the person criticized the "1994 technology 4WD" but again this was for me a preference and I find the criticism a bit humorous because said 1994 system is most ideal for hardcore off-roading. The 4Runner has a very robust part-time 4WD system which I wanted, and the Off-Road variants come with a manual transfer case (STONE AGE tech to the on-road crowd! I mean you have to actually grab the lever and physically give a solid pull to put this sucker into 4WD). Also no locking/unlocking hubs, which further reduces fuel economy because the front differential gears turn, but more reliable as fewer parts. I do wish there was a manual way to control the connection of the front driveshaft to the front differential. I actually find it borderline comical that this vehicle has the fancy push button start, not the probably more reliable old-fashioned insert-the-key-and-turn ignition, but YET, than has a MANUAL transfer case with a physical lever to pull, 'cut this is an OFF-ROAD TRUCK, GRRR!

The headlights have been upgraded to LED, again this is something the 4Runner should have gotten a long time ago, LED lights are not a gimmick. The interior lighting leaves something to be desired and is not LED, but you can upgrade it to LED with a kit so not a worry there. All 4Runners now come with the "Old People Safety Features" as my dad calls them, such as Lane Departure Warning, Blind Spot Monitoring, Pre-Collision Assist, Adaptive Cruise Control, an alarm beeps if someone is walking or driving past the back of the vehicle when in reverse---I do not know if the vehicle will actually stop itself if you started to back into a person, I know certain vehicles will do this, but I don't know with the 4Runner.

Mine has the 8 speaker sound system which leaves something to be desired. The 16 speaker JBL is available as an option I believe, at least on Premiums, but mine didn't come with it. However again, aftermarket upgrades can be done. Two features you can get aftermarket that I do think a Premium should have at least available as an option are remote start and a powered lift gate. I don't really have a need for either, but other people do.

Highway driving I find to be very smooth and planted. I must really have been adjusted to that old Jimmy, because this 4Runner does not even have the KDSS, but seems very firm while driving. I do not feel body roll or the front diving while braking (and the brakes are POWERFUL feeling too). Now when I test drove a used 2019 SR5 at the dealership,, that one felt more like a boat, bouncing around. I will say that I ***THINK*** the reason this feels more KDSS-like is that as an Off-Road, it has a stiffened suspension so that probably improves the on-road handling some.

Finally, I find it amazing how good the exterior styling still looks. I mean it's fricking practically 2023 and this is a 2010 that got a face-lift for 2014, but that face-lift still looks awesome. It IMO blows away most of the other SUVs on the road in the looks department.

All in all, I love love LOVE my new 4Runner and find it very quiet and smooth. It has just the right balance of modern tech and old-school design. It isn't the fanciest, but with the recent upgrades you can function in the modern world with it, like if you're say an executive or a high-end lawyer, it is techy enough for you to still function (like take or make calls or texts while driving). It just hit 1100 miles, so obviously it has some time to go before I can make any true judgment about its build quality, but hopefully it is a rock.
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