Fair point, and kind of what I'm thinking.

If I have to go Jeep GC L, it will be a 2-3 year car, at which point the warranty expires and I'll be ready to trade up for a 6th gen 4Runner or a Ford F150 Lightning.

Your post is EXACTLY where my head is at right now. The GC L is gorgeous and quite a bit more comfortable than the legacy GC. Road comfort was astoundingly better than my 4th gen Limited had ever been. But...the new GC L only gives you a selectable 4 low at the expensive Overland or higher trim. Everything below is that is Quadra-Trac I, which is nothing more than an AWD with permanent 4H.

But...the Jeep dealer all but offered to cut their $15K markup by 60% yesterday to make a deal by the end of the year. That would put the pricing for the Overland roughly on par w/ a new 4R. And I wanted a GC L in Limited and were willing to suck it up and get effectively an AWD crossover instead of the Overland, I can get a new one for even less than a used 4Runner.

The hoops and prices on the Toyots due to the low inventory are the huge gating factors right now.

Thanks for these. I'm scouring every site I can find, but there's no easy way to access all inventory everywhere. This is helpful. REally far and still subject to the dealer being willing to do an out of state sale (I've been turned down by a dozen dealers for this so far), but these are definitely worth digging into.

It seems some -- like Coughlin for example -- are already sold out. If they had a 2022 Limited when you posted this, they don't appear to now.

The L is much more than a 3rd row. Definitely a redesign, even if the underlying tech hasn't changed much.

Not that Toyota can claim anything there either. The 5th gen is getting very long in the tooth at this point. Other than carplay/android auto, ventilated seats, a 3rd row, and a couple minor things here and there, it hasn't changed at all since 2010.

The "more car for your $50K" thing is part of the calculus for my family...a big part for them. Less for me, but I need to please a wide range of requirements now.

My then new 2018 TRD off-road was difficult to find pre covid. I have bought Dodge trucks out of state with no problems. Is California law getting in your way?

My sister got on a dealer list locally for her 4runner. Purchased about 4months ago.

Check used Grand Cherokee prices compared to used 4runners. The GC has large depreciation drops. The Jeep Wrangler is slightly better than the 4runner. The Wrangler does not drive as nice on the road.

Here's a Barcelona Red Limited in Utah.

https://www.malonetoyota.com/new/Toy...4ee78800a7.htm

I got a good deal there, pre-Covid. I don't know what they would be like to work with today.

I rented a GC Limited three weeks ago on a business trip. It had 4Lo gearing, their version of MTS, and ride height adjustment.

you might be being a little generous there.

We have both 4R and JGC, my wife drives the JGC as her daily. Both are 2018 and we haven't had issues with either. We leased the JGC as I was hesitant to commit to the brand, but bought it out with all the craziness going on. If you're on the fence and don't want to overpay for a 4R why not jump into a lease with the JGC? At least you're covered for 3 years and can dump it off at the end if its complete crap. I know a lot of people don't like to lease, but it's an option worth considering right now.

Because leases now increasingly don’t offer buyout options. Banks don’t want customers to be able to flip or trade mid-lease.


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Clearly the 4R will hold it's value better, but Jeep isn't bad in that regard either.

Clearly it is. That's not what I was debating. I was saying his "all new" Jeep comment isn't really accurate. The difference is that the Jeep has actually evolved over these 10 years whereas the Toyota has practically been unchanged except for the 2014 facelift. Jeep got multiple new interiors with the newest being absolutely gorgeous, an 8-speed trans, major tech improvements and upgrades, etc. Toyota stayed the same and it's honestly why I love my 4R, but for a family vehicle those new creature comforts, an actually good stereo, good tech/nav, silent cabin, etc. are really nice. Jeep is charging you more over the years because they actually improved the vehicle. Toyota (or at least toyota dealers) now wants to charge you the same amount of money for the same vehicle they made in 2010.

Yes, QT is just a fancy AWD. Better than a Highlander or equivalent crossover, but it is still limited in capability for sure. I guess it depends on how you plan to use it. But, if you can get an Overland for about Limited 4R price and get your 4 Low case and air suspension I'd call that a no brainer. Both vehicles are apples to oranges at that point. The only thing they really have in common is that they are both cars. Otherwise, it's a fairly capable luxury SUV compared to a fairly capable primitive utilitarian SUV even in Limited trim. Toyota just gets you that sweet sweet lack of depreciation and reliability.

cars.com = you can get every car by make model color distance etc. Super simple.

https://www.auto123.com/en/news/toyo...-record/68785/

THE COMPANY WANTS TO MAKE UP FOR DELAYS CAUSED BY THE MICROCHIP SHORTAGE AND PROBLEMS RELATED TO COVID-19
By Daniel Rufiange , 2021-12-16
Nothing gets bandied around more often in the auto industry than numbers. Numbers to do with sales figures, with performance specs, with the year so-and-so is going all-electric. Sometimes we forget to put the numbers bandied our way in perspective.

News this week out of Japan threw out a number that merits perspective-placing. That would be Toyota’s announcement that it intends to assemble 800,000 vehicles in January worldwide.

800,000!

It's just a number, sure. But let's take a moment to look at what it means. The best-selling vehicle in Canada is the Ford F-150. Roughly speaking, Ford delivers 120,000 units to Canadian customers every year. In January, and just in January, Toyota will produce the equivalent of six to seven years worth of F-150 sales in Canada.

Need we mention that if it manages it, the Japanese automaker will set a record for the month? The reason for the push is simple: Toyota is increasing production to make up for delays caused by the microchip shortage. The world's leading manufacturer in terms of volume has been affected by a shortage of parts supplied by factories in Malaysia and Vietnam, a shortage caused by over-strong demand and by issues related to Covid-19.

Said the automaker via a statement, “We will continue to maintain our production forecast of the 9 million unit level” for the year ending March 31.

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The January production target represents an increase of 60,000 units from the previous year.

Toyota also said this week that shortages are forcing it to halt some production in Japan in December, resulting in a loss of 14,000 vehicles for the month.

In all, in its fiscal year ending March 31, Toyota plans to assemble nine million vehicles over a 12-month period.

Hi OP,

If you want a new 4Runner there are ways to make that happen. I think you and your family prefer the Jeep and see yourselves enjoying that vehicle more.


Before you buy the Jeep, level with yourself on how you and your family will feel when things start breaking on your Jeep sooner than they should and costing money that could have gone to other things your family needs or would enjoy. Will you be OK with that as a trade-off for the extras the Jeep is offering?

Did I read that right? You would be paying over sticker for a Jeep?

Good Luck!