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Old 01-05-2022, 07:23 PM #31
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Someone really tried to make that look like a TRD Pro. It's not. It's just a Trail which in '21 is just an SR5 with some styling cues.

I wouldn't buy it. Especially with a salvage title. Some sucker who thinks it's an actual TRD model will be fooled.
They do this in the classic Car market also. The vin should tell the story.
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Whenever I'm tempted by a salvage title vehicle (also called a "branded title" in some areas), I run the VIN through a regular 'ol Google search, and look for hits on the Copart website. (Or search, "copart [VIN]")

Copart is one of the larger vehicle clearing (auction) houses for insurance salvage, used, commercial, etc., vehicles. They do a great job of taking pictures of the vehicle at auction time. You can find details (usually including pictures) from auctions that have already closed (going back months in many instances, in my experience).

I've looked at (and run away from) two salvage vehicles after finding pictures of the vehicle as sold at auction. Dealer will say, "it's a salvage title, but it was just some front-end damage, bent hood and bumper." Pictures of the pre-repair vehicle look like no one survived!

OP, you might give this a try and see if you get any hits. Might give you an idea just how badly this rig was mangled.

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They do this in the classic Car market also. The vin should tell the story.
I remember Craig Jackson (of Barrett-Jackson Auctions) once talking about that. He was talking about a very rare muscle car that had been copied many times. His words were something to the effect of, "Of the 10 examples built, only 200 or so survive."
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Whenever I'm tempted by a salvage title vehicle (also called a "branded title" in some areas), I run the VIN through a regular 'ol Google search, and look for hits on the Copart website. (Or search, "copart [VIN]")

Copart is one of the larger vehicle clearing (auction) houses for insurance salvage, used, commercial, etc., vehicles. They do a great job of taking pictures of the vehicle at auction time. You can find details (usually including pictures) from auctions that have already closed (going back months in many instances, in my experience).

I've looked at (and run away from) two salvage vehicles after finding pictures of the vehicle as sold at auction. Dealer will say, "it's a salvage title, but it was just some front-end damage, bent hood and bumper." Pictures of the pre-repair vehicle look like no one survived!

OP, you might give this a try and see if you get any hits. Might give you an idea just how badly this rig was mangled.

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That's a nifty tip. I have in the past found myself browsing salvage sites, and just checked a local dealer I'm aware of. Look at this sharp 911: 2014 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S for sale in Portland, OR | Stock #: 122398 Leather Interior, 7 Speed Manual!. Some assembly was required: https://en.bidfax.info/porsche/911/7...1es122398.html.
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At least that one wasn’t an accident, looks like a theft recovery, but still a rebuilt title.
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I'm not sure if things have changed, but when I was selling insurance, you couldn't get collision/comprehensive coverage on a salvage titled vehicle.
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Whenever I'm tempted by a salvage title vehicle (also called a "branded title" in some areas), I run the VIN through a regular 'ol Google search, and look for hits on the Copart website. (Or search, "copart [VIN]")

Copart is one of the larger vehicle clearing (auction) houses for insurance salvage, used, commercial, etc., vehicles. They do a great job of taking pictures of the vehicle at auction time. You can find details (usually including pictures) from auctions that have already closed (going back months in many instances, in my experience).

I've looked at (and run away from) two salvage vehicles after finding pictures of the vehicle as sold at auction. Dealer will say, "it's a salvage title, but it was just some front-end damage, bent hood and bumper." Pictures of the pre-repair vehicle look like no one survived!

OP, you might give this a try and see if you get any hits. Might give you an idea just how badly this rig was mangled.

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Absolute Home Run with your first post Mike!!! Thanks so much. Look what I found...
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Absolute Home Run with your first post Mike!!! Thanks so much. Look what I found...
Ah yes, it was an SR5 - and not even an SR5 Premium. I'll bet some unsuspecting person buys it and can't believe they snagged a TRD Pro for so little. Nice work!
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Ah yes, it was an SR5 - and not even an SR5 Premium. I'll bet some unsuspecting person buys it and can't believe they snagged a TRD Pro for so little. Nice work!
It's a trail special edition actually. A dressed up SR5. Looks like someone snagged the trail wheels, rack and cooler before it went to the auction.
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I'm not sure if things have changed, but when I was selling insurance, you couldn't get collision/comprehensive coverage on a salvage titled vehicle.
I asked my agent about this and she said I could still get physical damage coverage, but I'd have to sign a waver stating the vehicle had been repaired and that payout of a claim would be based on a diminished value of the vehicle due to the salvage status. At least that's the deal in NC.
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Totally worth it, I'd snag it up quick if I were you.
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Just noticed in the picture from the back hatch, the headliner is definitely NOT installed well. If something visible is installed that poorly, you have to question the methods used for the entire repair.
this comment is astute now when seeing the pictures. it's clear there was major damage and air bags deployed. the improper installation of the headliner gave a nice clue (that I didn't notice before) that side curtain airbags were deployed and needed to be replaced, indicating something pretty bad must have happened. mental note taken
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My body shop guy told me the exact opposite a few weeks back when we got our 4Runner out of the shop for a side impact. He said that insurance is quite resistant to totaling cars because the vehicle values are sky high now, especially highly desirable vehicles. The insurance companies don't care about the shortage of parts; that's the insured's issue to contend with. Our 4runner was in the shop from 11/15 until 12/20, a majority of that time was waiting on parts. We smoked through our $500 rental car coverage quite quickly and still had a $700 rental car bill at the end. We increased our rental coverage to $1500 this month.

Go around to most body shops right now and it's like a salvage yard. Their lots are full of wrecked cars waiting on parts. Our shop is having to rent a separate lot because of the backlog in cars waiting on parts. What used to be considered totaled is largely now being fixed, no matter how long it takes. Body shops aren't necessarily happy about it either.

Please be careful driving because if you get in a wreck, it's a ROYAL PAIN to deal with right now.
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I asked my agent about this and she said I could still get physical damage coverage, but I'd have to sign a waver stating the vehicle had been repaired and that payout of a claim would be based on a diminished value of the vehicle due to the salvage status. At least that's the deal in NC.
Let me just say that the diminished value is going to 50% or more less than the blue book value. So paying a ridiculously high price to acquire it is a fool's game. Might as well buy Gamestop or Bitcoin if you want to play that game.
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My 2019 SR5 Premium I bought with a salvage title, though Ebay for $16k. Salvage titles can be great purchases you just have to perform due diligence, like the vin search above, knowing the non-salvage BB value of the same vehicle, having it looked at by a shop you trust if it was repaired to make sure it was done properly etc.

I've also sold two salvage title cars after owning them for some time. Re-sell is not impacted any more than your purchase was. If you scored a 30% discount off blue book for a salvage title you can expect to have to pass on that same 30% discount off bluebook when you sell. Straightforward and I had no problems selling the cars here in CA.

Also you 100% can get full coverage insurance. Note if you total the vehicle though the insurance companies will likely try to cut you a discounted check due to the title.


All of that said 40k seams like a lot to me for a salvage trail given I think the only plus is a rear locker. But if the repair was done well, and the upgrades they performed add up to enough added incremental value for you it maybe a deal. Especially if you plan on keeping the vehicle longterm like I am.

Whats Blue Book (plus cost of lift/tires) on this setup if it wasn't salvage? You really can't even start to make an informed decision without that number.
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