01-29-2022, 10:50 AM
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My Wildpeaks I just bought were made in Japan.
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01-29-2022, 11:05 AM
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There seems to be a lot of negative opinions about the Wildpeak AT3W here, but i've run both the K02 and AT3W and the AT3W are hands down better for what I use them for. They are superior in winter, although not even close to a dedicated winter tire, they are quieter on road and they've held up to quite a bit of abuse while aired down on gravel and rocks off road.
I personally found the K02's to get louder as they started to wear, were decent offroad tires for gravel/small rocks but didn't have as much grip on wet rock as the AT3Ws do and they were pretty terrible in the winter conditions that I deal with here in Alberta.
I switched to the AT3W because I use my tires for everyday driving as well as offroad in temps ranging from +40C to -40C and i've been happy with my switch.
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01-29-2022, 11:56 AM
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Of the two, Wildpeak.
Im going to get flamed for this for sure, because KO2’s have an inexplicable tribal following……but KO2’s dont deserve the reputation they have. They last a long time on pavement, but break down way too quickly with off road use. Their off road traction and snow traction isnt that great either.
Not to mention all of their QC issues. After having bought sets of my own that didnt live up, I had a vehicle fleet in Africa that had BFG as a tire supplier. The issues were near constant. Breaking tread blocks. Delaminating carcasses. Super fast wear down in sand. Chipping. Belt failures. Of all about 30 trucks I had, every single one had at least one of those issues with at least one tire.
I got fed up and dumped BFG entirely. Ended up with a mix of Cooper’s, General’s, and Goodyears. All were better than the BFG. Id never buy a BFG product again. I had Wildpeaks on my jeep and was happy with them and would buy again. LT Duratracs, ATX, Discoverer were all great for me as well.
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01-29-2022, 12:47 PM
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thank you for all the info everyone! Seems like a lot of mixed reviews on both! Going to see where I get the best deal and warranty. Keep the comments coming as I know a lot of new members as myself are wondering the same thing.
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01-29-2022, 01:22 PM
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thank you for all the info everyone! Seems like a lot of mixed reviews on both! Going to see where I get the best deal and warranty. Keep the comments coming as I know a lot of new members as myself are wondering the same thing.
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You should not pay attention to anyone who is not telling you which Wildpeak they run, have in mind.
P metric or LT? VERY DIFFERENT TIRES!!!
I cannot compare the LT Wildpeak to the KO (which is LT only).
I can definitely compare the P metric Wildpeak to the KO.
There is no comparison on the road between these two as the P metric Wildpeak is almost as good as a street tire and the KO2 is definitely not.
I never had issues with the P metric offroading Montana which is the closest I have done to what you have.
But in the desert, the KO2 beats the P metric Wildpeak on strength hands down.
The KO2 is a mediocre tire overall but aside from the cult following it does have actual strengths:
1/ Desert (though KM3 would be better, my Mickey Thompsons are better, too);
2/ Any terrain where you need maximum strength (LTE versions)
3/ Availability of C load LTs in various sizes.
The KO2 C-load is a true C-load, meaning they weigh much less than the E load. By contrast, the AT3W C-load is a joke as it weighs as E load.
So if you are going to be serious about it, you have to get into the actual data and tire construction facts, and not go by what somebody saw on youtube.
Or maybe a few of us here should start a youtube channel with actually useful information, LOL.
EDIT: to sum it up, the KO2 has two strong features: puncture resistance offroad and (true) C-load availability in various sizes. That's it. Its traction is nothing special and it is not good in mud. It is not a hybrid tire like my MTs or Cooper Maxx or Yoko X/T.
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01-29-2022, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by KiwiKurt
Of the two, Wildpeak.
Im going to get flamed for this for sure, because KO2’s have an inexplicable tribal following……but KO2’s dont deserve the reputation they have. They last a long time on pavement, but break down way too quickly with off road use. Their off road traction and snow traction isnt that great either.
Not to mention all of their QC issues. After having bought sets of my own that didnt live up, I had a vehicle fleet in Africa that had BFG as a tire supplier. The issues were near constant. Breaking tread blocks. Delaminating carcasses. Super fast wear down in sand. Chipping. Belt failures. Of all about 30 trucks I had, every single one had at least one of those issues with at least one tire.
I got fed up and dumped BFG entirely. Ended up with a mix of Cooper’s, General’s, and Goodyears. All were better than the BFG. Id never buy a BFG product again. I had Wildpeaks on my jeep and was happy with them and would buy again. LT Duratracs, ATX, Discoverer were all great for me as well.
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Since you have experience with multiple tire brands, which one did you like best?
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01-29-2022, 02:50 PM
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You should not pay attention to anyone who is not telling you which Wildpeak they run, have in mind.
P metric or LT? VERY DIFFERENT TIRES!!!
I cannot compare the LT Wildpeak to the KO (which is LT only).
I can definitely compare the P metric Wildpeak to the KO.
There is no comparison on the road between these two as the P metric Wildpeak is almost as good as a street tire and the KO2 is definitely not.
I never had issues with the P metric offroading Montana which is the closest I have done to what you have.
But in the desert, the KO2 beats the P metric Wildpeak on strength hands down.
The KO2 is a mediocre tire overall but aside from the cult following it does have actual strengths:
1/ Desert (though KM3 would be better, my Mickey Thompsons are better, too);
2/ Any terrain where you need maximum strength (LTE versions)
3/ Availability of C load LTs in various sizes.
The KO2 C-load is a true C-load, meaning they weigh much less than the E load. By contrast, the AT3W C-load is a joke as it weighs as E load.
So if you are going to be serious about it, you have to get into the actual data and tire construction facts, and not go by what somebody saw on youtube.
Or maybe a few of us here should start a youtube channel with actually useful information, LOL.
EDIT: to sum it up, the KO2 has two strong features: puncture resistance offroad and (true) C-load availability in various sizes. That's it. Its traction is nothing special and it is not good in mud. It is not a hybrid tire like my MTs or Cooper Maxx or Yoko X/T.
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But if you start a YouTube channel then you’ll just be another YouTuber.�� But seriously I think that would be a good idea and thanks for the good info. Maybe you can write up your own review and post it. I would find this very helpful.
Before I bought my tires I tried to do my due diligence and read many review and watched many videos. To be honest they are all over the map. There was no consistency on which tire was best and for what situation. So I just did a average of all the reviews. I think part of difficulty is each tire manufacturer is paying someone to right a favorable review for their tires. This really makes it hard for the average Joe to figure out what tire is the best one for their needs.
Although I’m a bit surprised at the number of people knocking the KO2. I’ve had KO2 for the last 20 years and never had a issue with a single tire and they have always performed well. I would say I drive about 85-90% on the road and rest off. Most of the off-road was on trail but I have driven off trail and in some pretty rough terrain. Again never had an issue. Just my personal experience. When I was searching I was seriously considering the AT3 but in the end my decision was based on my personal experience with KO2 and was a known factor to me.
But I will admit KiwiKurt makes a compelling argument. Anyone who ran a fleet of trucks in Africa I’m sure have really put the tires through an endurance test. So that a lot of credibility in my book.
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01-29-2022, 03:02 PM
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Although I’m a bit surprised at the number of people knocking the KO2. I’ve had KO2 for the last 20 years and never had a issue with a single tire and they have always performed well. I would say I drive about 85-90% on the road and rest off. Most of the off-road was on trail but I have driven off trail and in some pretty rough terrain. Again never had an issue. Just my personal experience.
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Didn’t the KO2 come out in 2015?
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01-29-2022, 03:14 PM
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Since you have experience with multiple tire brands, which one did you like best?
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It was a mix of 76 landcruisers with cable lockers; a couple 100 series, and mostly 200’s. The 76’s had coopers and generals, the 200’s duratracs and generals. All of the trucks -especially the 200’s- were behemoths in terms of weight.
I think i probably liked the Duratrac best based on what I prioritize(traction). Honestly, they all did fine for what we needed though. If i were to get nit picky, the duratracs seemed to have the best grip in mud and wet, but wore down a little faster than the rest in sand. Some of that was the trucks were really, really heavy, too. The general atx seemed to be the most durable/highest mileage of the group but the worst in mud.
The cooper discoverer’s were used on the fewest trucks, but performed and held up fine on the ones that had it. I dont recall if i experienced the “right pull” ive read about, but wasnt looking for it then, either. Ive seen it reported enough times I wont spend my own money on them.
The point for me at the time was to just stop getting failures. In the year following the swap, i had zero failures on any of those brands as a result from poor workmanship or poor QC. Some wore out, some got punctures, but none “failed”.
Ive only had the wild peaks once on my jeep (LT 37’s), so not really a sample size, but i was happy with them across a range of conditions. A little squirmy at highway speed on account of the full siping, but fabulous wet and snow performance.
Im getting ready to lift and re-tire my 4Runner and will either get the Duratrac, Territory MT, or the wildpeak. I live out east. If i lived out in the south west, Id probably look a little harder at the ATX…seemed to tolerate rock and sand a little better at the expense of some mud performance.
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01-29-2022, 06:52 PM
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But in the desert, the KO2 beats the P metric Wildpeak on strength hands down.
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That's exactly why I went with LT Wildpeaks. They are f@#$g heavy as hell... but they are great in desert and pretty good on rocks too. Sidewalls and thread are sturdy and can sustain tons of abuse.
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01-29-2022, 07:34 PM
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Didn’t the KO2 come out in 2015?
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Yes correct. I was referring to both the KO and KO2s I have used in the last 20 years. Just have a habit of saying KO2s now.
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01-29-2022, 09:05 PM
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Living in the PNW, i've had both. Get the AT3W. KO2's are comically dangerous in the rain.
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01-29-2022, 09:27 PM
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Living in the PNW, i've had both. Get the AT3W. KO2's are comically dangerous in the rain.
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Can you provide more detail why KO2 are dangerous? It would help owners know what situation to watch out for.
On that note I had bad experience with Nitto Terra Grapplers slide out on me several times in the rain. It always occurred in heavy rain and when making a turn. Tires were about 50% worn. On the bright side I know my Traction Control works.
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01-29-2022, 10:10 PM
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Of the two, Wildpeak.
……but KO2’s dont deserve the reputation they have. They last a long time on pavement, but break down way too quickly with off road use. … Breaking tread blocks.
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Torn tread blocks are caused by not airing the tire down when driving trails littered with small rock and jagged larger rock. Many tires with large, deep tread blocks suffer from this.
In my early days of off roading, I was reluctant to air down except for sand, which was relatively rare in areas I explored in. Lots of rocks, bedrock, narrow slot canyons surfaced with broken rock, dry waterfalls. I began to notice I tore up my BFG All Terrain T/As prematurely (KO2’s weren’t thought of yet). A friend reasoned with me about the positives of airing down over stony trails. This not only helps floatation in sand, but also allows the tire to mold itself over sharp obstacles instead of presenting a hard face to it. As well as smooth the ride. I’ve been practicing airing down since.
That said, many so-called off road tires don’t have multiple sidewall plies, even LT rated ones. I don’t recommend airing down P rated tires. The sidewalls will be sliced open on rocky trails. It’s easy to slice and dice OEM P rated tires found on most 4x4’s offered, even our T4R’s. I sliced open a front sidewall on my OEM tires within two months of purchase of my ‘18 on a small, sharp protruding stone hidden by sagebrush within feet of the highway I was returning to. Swapped out my OEMS for Load Range E KO2’s the next day.
If the OP puts the majority of his miles on his T4R on the road, a P rated snow tire will be sufficient.
Like I mentioned in a previous post, I have had excellent success with my BFGs and are a good value for my needs. To be honest, what research I’d done is kind of overwhelming with new technology and a flood of inexpensive imports. Since I live in an isolated small town, I go with what I can get at my local family owned shop. I can probably get better tires if I drive six hours round trip, but if they fail, then I have to pay to have them fixed, rotated and balanced at my local store. Or drive back to the city to get it done free. So I buy what works for me and the rest is free.
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01-29-2022, 11:09 PM
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That's a very good post.
I am with you on not airing down P metric at all.
For my current ATZP3. yes, the blocks show a lot of offroading after 16,000 miles. I normally air down to 21 psi for low range trails but keep 28 psi for high range stuff which is most of the desert because of the higher speeds.
So, yeah, it is either/or based on speeds as well. I don't count on getting more than 30k anyway. 40k would be huge if it happens, not needed.
None of that would matter in the NE, of course
So back to topic, silica in the tread really helps with rain. Nowadays the better LT tires have silica so it is no longer a P metric exclusive.
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