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Old 01-29-2022, 11:29 PM #31
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22 ORP, Not ready for tires yet -

That said, will be going 3 peak when the time comes, and going falkens. Reason is, they have sipes on the tread blocks. Those sipes big increase in ice traction..
In the lower northeast we gEt mixed conditions above and below freezing, been driving snows in winter for 40 yrs, that feature worth it to me…. My two cents.

Must say not a bad answer between the two, whichever is a solid choice.
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I'm looking to put tires LT285/70/17 in C rating on my 20' ORP. I'm considering K02's and Wild Peaks.
The negative things that I'm on fence about of the three.
KO2's wet weather performance sounds terrible
Wild Peaks weight at 64lbs?!

Now I'm also considering the Goodyear Wrangler Ultra Terrain AT. Anyone have experience with these? It is an E rated only tire, but it seems to check off everything I'm looking at on my list.
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Do you ever own wildpeaks they are standard on the new rubicon and raptors as well the Subaru off roaders I’ve had them for 2 and half years and have been flawless !!!
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In fact I have. Probably have a lot more experience with them then you do. 1 set on my fx4 f-150 decent tire middle of the road, wore quickly hard to balance. But bang for buck great tire. My brothers has Wildpeaks on his truck, hard to balance but the low price at 128 bucks a tire great deal, so it gets a passing grade. Figured I would give the Wildpeaks one more try on my 20 Trd 4Runner. In the 10k miles I had them 5 trips to discount tire to get them balanced. In fact one was out of round. My local discount tire replaced my tires free of charge and I have not had an issue since. In fact a few of the sales staff say that the Wildpeaks are one of the most problematic tires they sell. At one time the Wildpeaks were a good value for the price if you were willing to risk getting a bad one. Now that the price has increased better off getting another brand. Sure every tire has issues but you can’t honestly say a falken is better then a ko2. I run Maxxis at-811 have had good luck with the thee sets of them. Oh by the way they are on the new rubicon because they are cheap. Factory tires that met the specs And price point FCA wanted.

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Torn tread blocks are caused by not airing the tire down when driving trails littered with small rock and jagged larger rock. Many tires with large, deep tread blocks suffer from this.

In my early days of off roading, I was reluctant to air down except for sand, which was relatively rare in areas I explored in. Lots of rocks, bedrock, narrow slot canyons surfaced with broken rock, dry waterfalls. I began to notice I tore up my BFG All Terrain T/As prematurely (KO2’s weren’t thought of yet). A friend reasoned with me about the positives of airing down over stony trails. This not only helps floatation in sand, but also allows the tire to mold itself over sharp obstacles instead of presenting a hard face to it. As well as smooth the ride. I’ve been practicing airing down since.

That said, many so-called off road tires don’t have multiple sidewall plies, even LT rated ones. I don’t recommend airing down P rated tires. The sidewalls will be sliced open on rocky trails. It’s easy to slice and dice OEM P rated tires found on most 4x4’s offered, even our T4R’s. I sliced open a front sidewall on my OEM tires within two months of purchase of my ‘18 on a small, sharp protruding stone hidden by sagebrush within feet of the highway I was returning to. Swapped out my OEMS for Load Range E KO2’s the next day.

If the OP puts the majority of his miles on his T4R on the road, a P rated snow tire will be sufficient.

Like I mentioned in a previous post, I have had excellent success with my BFGs and are a good value for my needs. To be honest, what research I’d done is kind of overwhelming with new technology and a flood of inexpensive imports. Since I live in an isolated small town, I go with what I can get at my local family owned shop. I can probably get better tires if I drive six hours round trip, but if they fail, then I have to pay to have them fixed, rotated and balanced at my local store. Or drive back to the city to get it done free. So I buy what works for me and the rest is free.

It’s also caused when the tires ARE aired down but the rubber compound doesnt hold up rock and sand, which bfg’s dont, especially if there is high salt content in the sand. Again, my issues across all drivers and all trucks with failures went away simply by ditching the brand, so I dont think improper use can be layed at our feet. There are anecdotal stories for days on any tire. Every brand has a lemon, and even ones with good reputations have failures. Its also easy to get bought in by marketing hype, and sometimes people develop a preference from what they see another truck do with that tire in a particular circumstance, its drive dynamics just agree with the purchaser, or there is some feature of tread or ply that appeals/works for the purchaser. I was loyal to general tire for a long time simply because they sponsored a trophy truck i was with and they treated us well and their tires worked. But in the Africa case, it became a mobility and budget issue as well as a risk issue. The suppliers like bfg because of the margins they got, so didnt want to change at first. But when youre in Africa and buy 60+ sets of tires a year, you get a voice too. I gave them the size criteria and my only brand requirement was “not bfg”, so my experience with the ones we got was out of necessity not out of favoritism. I ended up with a mix and have become more convinced now that pretty much any major brand’s LT tire is going to be about as good as the next.

Some of the variations in construction matter, like the duratrac and wildpeak siping being great in winter weather. Thats real. The carcass design (and weight) and the “duragen” (i think its just silica content) of the ATX being super durable. But thats on the edges. At the core they are all similar.

If bfg is the ONLY tire you can get for 6hrs….i mean i guess? They do offer the widest selection of sizes and load ratings, are damn near universally available, and if they have worked for your cases then great. There are lots of people who like them. Im just not one of them.

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I'm looking to put tires LT285/70/17 in C rating on my 20' ORP. I'm considering K02's and Wild Peaks.
The negative things that I'm on fence about of the three.
KO2's wet weather performance sounds terrible
Wild Peaks weight at 64lbs?!

Now I'm also considering the Goodyear Wrangler Ultra Terrain AT. Anyone have experience with these? It is an E rated only tire, but it seems to check off everything I'm looking at on my list.
Why not a Duratrac? Its a D or E, I guess. Im thinking Ill try the territory mt in C next…..

My biggest frustration with picking tires is the limited availability of 255/80/17’s in various load ratings. Everyone wants big offset wheels with “meats” on them to get the look for the ‘gram, and its driven the market towards sizes and weights that dont perform as well on these trucks.

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Neither….Toyo Open Country AT3
Ive heard great things about these but never used them….how many set have you had? Snow performance? Mud tolerance?

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Just put 255/80 17 Wildpeaks on a few weeks ago. Ride is great even for an E rating, and they’re solid in the Colorado snow. Best of all, steering wheel wobble is GONE! These replace a set of very old KOs. I have no complaints.


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Just put 255/80 17 Wildpeaks on a few weeks ago. Ride is great even for an E rating, and they’re solid in the Colorado snow. Best of all, steering wheel wobble is GONE! These replace a set of very old KOs. I have no complaints.


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No surprise on the wobbles. Majority of the time steering wheel wobble or shaking is cause by tires that have worn unevenly. This can be caused by not being balanced or inflated properly, not rotating the tires regularly or wheel being out of alignment. Even if you do everything right sometimes it can just be the tires.

Glad the tires are working out for you.
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Ive heard great things about these but never used them….how many set have you had? Snow performance? Mud tolerance?[/QUOTE]

I’m in my first set, but these blew me away almost instantly. They feel close to street tires on dry pavement with how quiet they are and how well they handle in the rain. Snow performance is quite good. Much better than KO2s. Haven’t done much in the mud, so I can’t comment there.
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Reading this thread is like talking to 15 year old kids fighting over XBOX vs PlayStation, Or Nintendo vs SEGA. I guess we never grow up and stop arguing about our toys.
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I've never used KO2's in the snow, but the AT3's are better in the rain and when we had our once in a century storm in Texas last February they carved through the snow with ease.
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Just put 255/80 17 Wildpeaks on a few weeks ago. Ride is great even for an E rating, and they’re solid in the Colorado snow. Best of all, steering wheel wobble is GONE! These replace a set of very old KOs. I have no complaints.


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I've never run Wildpeaks, but I've run a ton of BFG KO and KO2s. I have 265/70r17 C-load KO2s on my 4R now and I love them. Amazing in snow as they have been on all the vehicles I've run them on. Never an issue in rain. Super quiet. I've never had any balancing issues. Also are a C-load and weigh about the same as the stock Bridgestones.

All of these threads (and there are a ton of them comparing these 2 tires) end up the same way and it'll always be 50/50. Falkens have a cult following because they used to be cheap for a good tire. BFG ATs have been around forever in multiple variations and have millions of reviews. Both sides will say they have balancing issues, so they chose the other. It's always the same

Both are good tires, really. So, take your pick. You won't know how they really perform until you test them yourself, but you can bet either one is a good choice.
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BFG KO2 or Falken Wild Peak AT3W

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This is on stock KDSS suspension. Adjusted the front fender liner and cut a tiny bit off the plastic fender trim inside the well where the liner was pushed back. These fit well, as many have found. OME lift goes on in a few weeks.


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Living in the PNW, i've had both. Get the AT3W. KO2's are comically dangerous in the rain.


I don't find any AT tire in decent shape any more "dangerous" in the rain than any other tire unless you are exaggerating or need to learn2drive.
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