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Old 06-13-2022, 08:44 PM #151
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I didn't know enough when I made my choice and regretting it somewhat.

My thinking was I'm never going off roading but want 4WD for other situations. I do get into back roads often. Gravel I also drive a lot, I think. Approx 45K/year. I assumed the Limited would offer a slightly softer ride.

My thinking went sideways with the 20" wheels. Thinking tire life, Duh??


Overall I'm not thrilled with my 4R but that's what I'm going to live with.

In my first year of ownership I put on 50k miles and I still average over 20k/year.

First thing I did when I got my Limited was switch to 17” wheels. Made a huge difference in ride.

Then I ditched x-reas soon after. It made for great handling but I do a lot of off-roading around Colorado and Utah. I chose a progressive spring setup from Dobinsons so now it rides like a boat, which I like for my uses.


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I didn't know enough when I made my choice and regretting it somewhat.

My thinking was I'm never going off roading but want 4WD for other situations. I do get into back roads often. Gravel I also drive a lot, I think. Approx 45K/year. I assumed the Limited would offer a slightly softer ride.

My thinking went sideways with the 20" wheels. Thinking tire life, Duh??


Overall I'm not thrilled with my 4R but that's what I'm going to live with.
Yeah, the irony is that the Limited doesn't ride as well as the ORP/KDSS I had. Better body control and better on road handling, but the ride is worse. 17s to 17s so apples to apples.

The body control for a truck like this is pretty impressive, and it isn't harsh, but my ORP was plush by comparison.

My perfect 4runner -- that they don't make:
- Interior: Limited
- Body: Pro but without the hood scoop
- Drivetrain: Limited
- Suspension: ORP/KDSS with some Bilsteins for less nose dive
- Oh and the v8 from my old GX470 since I'm dreaming

Don't tell me to buy a GX460 btw -- that ain't it either. Maybe a "late" LC100
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Yeah, the irony is that the Limited doesn't ride as well as the ORP/KDSS I had. Better body control and better on road handling, but the ride is worse. 17s to 17s so apples to apples.

The body control for a truck like this is pretty impressive, and it isn't harsh, but my ORP was plush by comparison.

My perfect 4runner -- that they don't make:
- Interior: Limited
- Body: Pro but without the hood scoop
- Drivetrain: Limited
- Suspension: ORP/KDSS with some Bilsteins for less nose dive
- Oh and the v8 from my old GX470 since I'm dreaming

Don't tell me to buy a GX460 btw -- that ain't it either. Maybe a "late" LC100

Hear me out… LX 570


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I didn't know enough when I made my choice and regretting it somewhat.

My thinking was I'm never going off roading but want 4WD for other situations. I do get into back roads often. Gravel I also drive a lot, I think. Approx 45K/year. I assumed the Limited would offer a slightly softer ride.

My thinking went sideways with the 20" wheels. Thinking tire life, Duh??


Overall I'm not thrilled with my 4R but that's what I'm going to live with.
I dont spend a lot of time off-roading. Its not a hobby of mine, but I do get out on a lot of dirt/gravel roads. I also spend some time on some beaches, a bit of highway driving, and the full-time AWD for snowy/icy roads is huge. From what you’ve described, i would have also assumed you picked the right 4r to suit your sensibilities. What are you regretting? As others have mentioned, wheels and tires can be easily swapped out so suit your tastes. If youre looking to get into off-reading as a hobby, you’ve still got a great platform to begin with.
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I dont spend a lot of time off-roading. Its not a hobby of mine, but I do get out on a lot of dirt/gravel roads. I also spend some time on some beaches, a bit of highway driving, and the full-time AWD for snowy/icy roads is huge. From what you’ve described, i would have also assumed you picked the right 4r to suit your sensibilities. What are you regretting? As others have mentioned, wheels and tires can be easily swapped out so suit your tastes. If youre looking to get into off-reading as a hobby, you’ve still got a great platform to begin with.
because it doesnt have a rear locker so therefore it's not worth ever driving offroad (jk obviously)

I think the biggest issue people have with the 2014+ limiteds are those front bumpers that seem to stick down more than other trims (I don't know I never measured). honestly though I think the 10-13 4runners had the best front end, all pretty much the same, but I'm biased I have a 2012. most of the other limited trim components can be removed or swapped out
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because it doesnt have a rear locker so therefore it's not worth ever driving offroad

I think the biggest issue people have with the 2014+ limiteds are those front bumpers that seem to stick down more than other trims (I don't know I never measured). honestly though I think the 10-13 4runners had the best front end, all pretty much the same, but I'm biased I have a 2012. most of the other limited trim components can be removed or swapped out
If youre looking to get into off-roading, a lift, wheels and tires would put you on much more capable ground. It is my understanding you can also get a rear locker installed for a reasonable price, if you so desired. most folks who get serious about off-roading remove the bumper and go with some kind of armor, so the diff bumper being argued as huge limitation is kinda meh, IMO. The rear bumper does sit lower than other trims. As a consequence you have an inferior approach/departure angle as compared to other models. If youre not wheeling, this is not all too relevant. Again, a lift w/wheels and tires helps this a bit as well. Ive been rocking a limited of one kind or another since 2018 in all kinds of terrain and this simply hasn’t been a problem. Bottom line: Similar mods as everyone else = similar outcome as everyone else, plus you have the added benefit of full-time AWD. Of course along with these mods comes the hit to fuel economy…

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If youre looking to get into off-roading, a lift, wheels and tires would put you on much more capable ground. It is my understanding you can also get a rear locker installed for a reasonable price, if you so desired. most folks who get serious about off-roading remove the bumper and go with some kind of armor, so the diff bumper being argued as huge limitation is kinda meh, IMO. The rear bumper does sit lower than other trims. As a consequence you have an inferior approach/departure angle as compared to other models. If youre not wheeling, this is not all too relevant. Again, a lift w/wheels and tires helps this a bit as well. Ive been rocking a limited of one kind or another since 2018 in all kinds of terrain and this simply hasn’t been a problem. Bottom line: Similar mods as everyone else = similar outcome as everyone else, plus you have the added benefit of full-time AWD. Of course along with these mods comes the hit to fuel economy…
agree 100%. my rear locker comment was not being serious. I have a 2012 limited and I have made some modifications to un-limited it in certain areas. there are of course some scenarios where the extra offroad goodies will help you, but 95% of people will not need them for mild to moderate offroading with a daily driven 4runner. the full time 4wd with torsen is a good system and honestly (and don't forget ATRAC) I wouldn't buy an SUV without AWD or full time 4wd that is also to be used as a daily driver. 5 months of winter up here, no thanks I'll take the AWD/4wd over the goodies and rear locker. plus like you said, can always add a rear locker later if I REALLY wanted to

yes I know you can switch to 4wd manually in a part time trim but going from snow drift covered roads, unplowed and unpaved hilly areas to dry pavement means for a lot of manual transfer case action. kind of a pain
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agree 100%. my rear locker comment was not being serious. I have a 2012 limited and I have made some modifications to un-limited it in certain areas. there are of course some scenarios where the extra offroad goodies will help you, but 95% of people will not need them for mild to moderate offroading with a daily driven 4runner. the full time 4wd with torsen is a good system and honestly (and don't forget ATRAC) I wouldn't buy an SUV without AWD or full time 4wd that is also to be used as a daily driver. 5 months of winter up here, no thanks I'll take the AWD/4wd over the goodies and rear locker. plus like you said, can always add a rear locker later if I REALLY wanted to

yes I know you can switch to 4wd manually in a part time trim but going from snow drift covered roads, unplowed and unpaved hilly areas to dry pavement means for a lot of manual transfer case action. kind of a pain

Ah, my apologies. My sarcasm meter broke sometime in the last few years, hah.
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agree 100%. my rear locker comment was not being serious. I have a 2012 limited and I have made some modifications to un-limited it in certain areas. there are of course some scenarios where the extra offroad goodies will help you, but 95% of people will not need them for mild to moderate offroading with a daily driven 4runner. the full time 4wd with torsen is a good system and honestly (and don't forget ATRAC) I wouldn't buy an SUV without AWD or full time 4wd that is also to be used as a daily driver. 5 months of winter up here, no thanks I'll take the AWD/4wd over the goodies and rear locker. plus like you said, can always add a rear locker later if I REALLY wanted to

yes I know you can switch to 4wd manually in a part time trim but going from snow drift covered roads, unplowed and unpaved hilly areas to dry pavement means for a lot of manual transfer case action. kind of a pain
If you’re not a serious off-roader I think the Limited drive train is a much better option. You don’t have to worry about switching back and forth.
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