My issue with Jeep isn't the capability of Jeeps. My issue with Jeeps are that they are Jeeps. Would never buy one if you held a gun to my head. Personally, would never buy anything that is not Toyota, Honda, Lexus, or Acura. Mazda is becoming quite respectable though.

As far as MPG, I think you'd have a different experience if you changed your tires. I can almost get 22 MPG on the all seasons on the vehicle right now. That's a mix of street and freeway.

I heard one of the Michelins will for sure get you 22 MPG. It's an all season but the reviews say its snow performance is quite capable. Now if you do heavy off-roading, then you can forget about such tires. In this case the only alternative for you would be a turbo'd vehicle, which will require 91/92 gas as opposed to the 4Runner's 87. And NA > Turbo. Can't have everything.

This. Just bought a 5th gen because I did not want to miss out; it's nearing the end of its life. I know the 6th gen will look amazing, but there are rumors production will switch to Mexico and that it will not have the ability to roll down the rear window. It will be turbo'd as well. It will never have the durability of the 5th gen, but it will get better gas mileage and be bloated with tech.

I have a 2016 SR5 premium. It has been and continues to be a great truck. I think it would take something like a major life change - relocating to the city or something - to make me sell it. However, not sure why people here feel a need to put down Jeep or FCA. My dad has had a number of JGC’s over the years with no issues other than typical wear and tear stuff. My sister did have an early 2000s JGC with a strange electronics issue in the trans, but this was the era with the bad Mercedes merger and I think those days are gone. (Benzes from that time were craptastic too.). I know a number of guys who own Ram trucks with lots of mileage and no real issues other than, again, normal wear and tear typical for mileage. We have a two year old Ram that has been flawless, although it is still relatively new. That being said, it gives off the aura of being extremely well made. And the e-torque with stop start is transparent in operation. It is by far the best pickup truck I have ever owned in terms of comfort, drive, build quality, fit and finish, etc.

People who constantly slam other products strike me as insecure. The reality is that the build quality and reliability of the average new car today is far better than anything from 10 or 20 years ago. Emphasis there on the average new car - the high end luxury cars have become commoditized and cheapened and the low end is still, well, cheap. But what would it say about Toyota if they could not get the quality/ reliability right on a truck that doesn’t exactly take a lot of technology risks?

That brings me to my final point - One of the reasons I love the 4Runner is that it is what it has always been, quality, ethos, and looks-wise. It is not an egg with gender identity issues, it doesn’t use a three cylinder hybrid turbo with a 12 speed automatic, or any other such garbage. It is a solidly built, body on frame SUV with a big sturdy V6 engine, sensible, well laid out and pretty comfortable interior, and all of the creature comforts you need (love the big sunroof in mine, as well as the roll down rear window). It is unique in the market and doesn’t require putting down other vehicles, including Jeeps, to make it seem better than it is. JGCs may be a better trade off for a lot of the folks who really want a crossover but don’t want a minivan lite. For those folks, let them have a Jeep and enjoy it. But I have loved the traditional box shape Toyota 4Runner since I was a kid in the 80s, and one of the reasons it still appeals is it essentially has not changed, become cheapened, or otherwise softened. But the compromises needed to keep it what it is open up opportunities for softer more refined vehicles like the Jeeps. Let them have their Jeeps and enjoy them. They are fine, but they aren’t the same as a 4Runner, not bad, just not the same.

Because it siphoned my savings to keep it running for 11 years yet only 80,000 or so miles. With as much as I spent to keep it running, especially in later years, I could have just bought a 4Runner and I'd still be driving it today. My Jeep needed a new transmission at 50,000 miles. It needed another one at 80,000 miles which it never saw under my watch. It needed two heater cores. All of these were stupid expensive in parts and labor.

And a bunch of the Chryslers you were talking about probably weren't kept for very long. Even my Jeep was okay for the first handful of years. If you're going to get a Chrysler then maybe it's not so bad if you don't plan on keeping it long term. But it's absolutely not a long term vehicle most of the time. Hasn't been for many years. There's a reason why people like late 90s Wrangler TJs and older Wranglers and Cherokees.

Vehicles are fashion statements these days as I've come to find. All of them. Even the Kia Rio.

When I got my 4Runner right before the pandemic a couple years ago, people at work were all atwitter about my 4Runner. They were atwitter about my 4Runner? Suddenly everything made sense. I didn't get it to impress anyone, but they were impressed nonetheless.

With the level of sales that the 4Runner sees, combined with the fact that Toyota already has multiple offerings in the crossover SUV market, I sincerely doubt they would water down the 4Runner.

My thinking exactly. When I heard that the 6th Gen was coming I rushed to get a 2022.
Based on past experience with off-road vehicles including G-Wagens and Land Rovers it’s my bet that the 6th Gen will be diminished in some way. Successive generations are usually either less capable or less robust. I hope I’m wrong.

Agree ^ I had two G wags and each got softer with new model. New runner could easily lose rear solid axl, roll down window, etc. I love it the way it is w/o all the tech, just want a more modern and efficient engine.

I hope your right...but as nice as the new sequoia looks, loosing the rear window and the amount of cargo space is not very encouraging.

Had a 2016 GC. Hated it immensely. The Hemi was nice. New GC's look weird and that would never be the vehicle I would change to, but its your money. If you are swapping it out in 2-3 years then it will probably make it that long.

I bought a 97 Wrangler new and among other things it had a full cage. Drove the wheels off. Bought a 2012 Jeep GC since I was getting older and wanted more comfort. I called it the 'grocery getter' because that's all it was good for. It was great on highway road trips. Off road not so much.

BIL had a 4Runner I rode in at a middle difficult trail out of State. Easy decision and I dumped the GC when I saw an opportunity pre-covid, pre-madness.