[Something_Awesome]

Before buying my ORP this year, I had googled the vehicles payload. Google said the payload was 1,495 - 1,700. I went with that. Finally decided to check the sticker on my door jam, and it says only 880 lbs? Am I missing something?

Honestly, if it was any lower, it'd probably be a deal-breaker. I don't need 1,500 pounds of payload, but I would have liked to have 1,100 as a just-in-case. 1,000 pounds AT LEAST.

I bought a flat tire repair kit and removed the spare tire today, which would free up payload. But that's not all it did. I felt a drastic difference in the vehicle's quickness. This in turn makes me think I'll same more MPG that I had expected (not that it was much to begin with).

I put the spare back on though because I was not liking how you could see the vehicle's guts from the rear. Promptly drove it again, and the vehicle felt much more sluggish. My guess is the full sized spare and wheel is about 75 lbs, maybe more. I have a scale. I should have weighed it.

Thoughts (on either the payload shock or the noticeably improved speed after removing the spare)?

[Captain Spalding]

Could be that the load rating on the sticker is dependent on the SL load rating of the stock tires, and that moving to a C or E rated tire would raise the effective load rating.

Puncture repair kits are great, but they don’t replace a spare. I’ve had a nail puncture on the shoulder that wasn’t reparable.

Cheers.

[Something_Awesome]

Originally Posted by Captain Spalding

Could be that the load rating on the sticker is dependent on the SL load rating of the stock tires, and that moving to a C or E rated tire would raise the effective load rating.

Puncture repair kits are great, but they don’t replace a spare. I’ve had a nail puncture on the shoulder that wasn’t reparable.

Cheers.

Good thought, but unlikely. The OE Bridgestone Duelers have a load capacity of 2,500 pounds at max air pressure (which is like 35 Psi). Toyota recommends 32 Psi. At 32 Psi, even if the load capacity per tire went down to 2,000, it would still easily support the 4Runner plus the 1,700 lbs of payload that Goggle suggest the 4Runner can have.

[IslandJim]

The tow hitch is limited to 500#'s tounge weight also. So if your towing with 500# tounge weight, you are only allowed 2 persons in the cab?

[BlackWorksInc]

I mean, payload is derived from GVWR, which itself is a combination of things including suspension and tires. Theoretically by upgrading the suspension and the tires you'd be increasing the payload capacity and the GVWR because the vehicle can now safely support and manage additional weight (as long as the frame and such can sustain it). What that number would be is something I have never tried to really calculate because I don't know exactly how all the variables fit together.

[The4RunnerDude]

Originally Posted by Something_Awesome

Before buying my ORP this year, I had googled the vehicles payload. Google said the payload was 1,495 - 1,700. I went with that. Finally decided to check the sticker on my door jam, and it says only 880 lbs? Am I missing something?

Honestly, if it was any lower, it'd probably be a deal-breaker. I don't need 1,500 pounds of payload, but I would have liked to have 1,100 as a just-in-case. 1,000 pounds AT LEAST.

I bought a flat tire repair kit and removed the spare tire today, which would free up payload. But that's not all it did. I felt a drastic difference in the vehicle's quickness. This in turn makes me think I'll same more MPG that I had expected (not that it was much to begin with).

I put the spare back on though because I was not liking how you could see the vehicle's guts from the rear. Promptly drove it again, and the vehicle felt much more sluggish. My guess is the full sized spare and wheel is about 75 lbs, maybe more. I have a scale. I should have weighed it.

Thoughts (on either the payload shock or the noticeably improved speed after removing the spare)?

IIRC from some other posts on here, the reduced payload is due to the rear locking differential on the ORP's. When I purchased my 2021, I did a double take as well when looking at the specs on my door compared to what I had researched beforehand.

I try to be a gear minimalist, and like you I don't necessarily need that much, but 1000 pounds at least would be nice.

[Bmnorm2]

Originally Posted by Something_Awesome

Before buying my ORP this year, I had googled the vehicles payload. Google said the payload was 1,495 - 1,700. I went with that. Finally decided to check the sticker on my door jam, and it says only 880 lbs? Am I missing something?

Honestly, if it was any lower, it'd probably be a deal-breaker. I don't need 1,500 pounds of payload, but I would have liked to have 1,100 as a just-in-case. 1,000 pounds AT LEAST.

I bought a flat tire repair kit and removed the spare tire today, which would free up payload. But that's not all it did. I felt a drastic difference in the vehicle's quickness. This in turn makes me think I'll same more MPG that I had expected (not that it was much to begin with).

I put the spare back on though because I was not liking how you could see the vehicle's guts from the rear. Promptly drove it again, and the vehicle felt much more sluggish. My guess is the full sized spare and wheel is about 75 lbs, maybe more. I have a scale. I should have weighed it.

Thoughts (on either the payload shock or the noticeably improved speed after removing the spare)?

Do you have a photo of your door jamb sticker? My ‘21 nightshade has an 1165 lb payload. As others have alluded to, the GVWR is based on the lowest rated component, be it your axle(s), tires, or otherwise. This is why a dually heavy duty truck has a much higher rating… the axle/tires were the limiting factor and by changing to dually it is increased.

[Old Tanker]

If the limiting factor is the rear locker, is the limit avoided if the locker is only engaged when the vehicle is not heavily loaded? It's uncommon for me to push a fully loaded rig down a hard trail. Leave the tent and trailer at basecamp, take a lighter rig on the trail...

Edit: looking at other threads, this has been fairly well established as a limitation of the rear locker, which when engaged can put all the weight/torque on one side of the rear axle. GVWR remains the same as a vehicle without the rear locker.

[superspeckman]

2022 ORP here. Same:


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[Whippersnapper02]

Come on now, it's a fairly weak SUV now because Toyota knows they're just crawling malls. Everyone wants a truck and SUV that rides like a car.

[Something_Awesome]

I wonder if the ones with 880 Payload are the vehicles equipped with KDSS.

[DirtyMarcus]

Originally Posted by BlackWorksInc

I mean, payload is derived from GVWR, which itself is a combination of things including suspension and tires. Theoretically by upgrading the suspension and the tires you'd be increasing the payload capacity and the GVWR because the vehicle can now safely support and manage additional weight (as long as the frame and such can sustain it). What that number would be is something I have never tried to really calculate because I don't know exactly how all the variables fit together.

this guy is always spot on with his info. if you want higher payload, increasing the spring rate (and tires) would be the only way. thats why many lift kits have options for higher rated springs if youre going to run steel bumpers/winches/etc. You can still use those springs without the extra weight but the ride will be rougher. For example, riding in an F350 with no payload is way rougher than riding in it when youre loaded down because they are designed to handle a big payload. But yes and 880lb payload is pretty pathetic even for a 4R lol but realistically 880lbs of gear or people is a lot and likely a rare occurence.

[Captain Spalding]

Originally Posted by DirtyMarcus

this guy is always spot on with his info. if you want higher payload, increasing the spring rate (and tires) would be the only way …

So you’re implying that the cars with the 880# limit have different springs than the cars with the higher limit?

[Old Tanker]

Originally Posted by Captain Spalding

So you’re implying that the cars with the 880# limit have different springs than the cars with the higher limit?

Subtract dry weight from GVWR and you'll see a higher payload than 880. That higher limit is what the springs and suspension are set up for. The 880 is when the rear locker is engaged.

Upgrading shocks, springs (and brakes) takes care of most elements of an overweight vehicle. Still some issues with general wear on the hubs and axles. And there's still the matter of the rear locker...

[Bmnorm2]

Suspension can be the limiting factor in GVWR. That is not the case here.. it is the axle/locker itself. In this case, Increasing spring rate will just reduce “sag” at the same weight and make the ride rough without changing the GVWR.

You either need a different axle, or remove as much weight as possible from the rear.

With all of that said, you aren’t going through weigh stations… you aren’t going to get a fine for exceeding your payload. The GVWR and resulting payload is also based on built in safety factor, so going over isn’t going to instantly start breaking things.